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gTen 05-30-2008 11:46 PM

heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
I'm sharing my internet via wmrouter and even though the phone is plugged in, the battery drains. This doesn't happen of the bat but one thing I find in common is the cellphone gets hot. So I am guessing the heat is prevent current to flow to my phone thus not charge?

or is it the fact that wifi + internet + apps uses more energy then the phone charges(which i doubt)
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chappy 05-31-2008 08:22 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 300417)
or is it the fact that wifi + internet + apps uses more energy then the phone charges(which i doubt)

If by plugged in, you mean to your laptop, you're actually correct. The USB charge is a slow trickle charge, and more than likely you're draining your battery faster than it's being charged.

gTen 06-01-2008 01:41 AM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chappy (Post 301001)
If by plugged in, you mean to your laptop, you're actually correct. The USB charge is a slow trickle charge, and more than likely you're draining your battery faster than it's being charged.


Actually, I am charging from the power, not from a laptop :/

Only things I found in common when it starts loosing power is the phone getting pretty hot and the power charge light blinks instead of glows.

I also set lcd to minimum brightness cause I know that drains a lot of energy. So only things are internet, wifi, and the wmrouter app (which starts internet connection sharing)
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sandiegodude 06-01-2008 02:02 AM

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if your led blinks while charging your mogul is overheating. try keeping the keyboard open to help dissapate the heat.

gTen 06-01-2008 03:24 AM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sandiegodude (Post 301207)
if your led blinks while charging your mogul is overheating. try keeping the keyboard open to help dissapate the heat.

Oh I see by adding more surface area and making it a tad cooler..k thanks I'll try that.:)

I kinda thought heating maybe the case (aside from the phone being hot and all) since when I have it upright or downright...downright seems to last longer( probably cause there is a hole over there)..though didn't know the mogul had an indication of over heating :/

But is it suppose to do that though? like is it the phone running a constant process or the wifi or internet or combination of both causing the over heating? Usually in cases like computers there are fans and heat exhausts or so to ensure it doesn't over heat...
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Chillen 06-01-2008 03:26 AM

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I just noticed this last nite, was very very hot just using wifi and it was also being charged by wall charger.

gTen 06-01-2008 03:33 AM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
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Originally Posted by wamu93 (Post 301262)
I just noticed this last nite, was very very hot just using wifi and it was also being charged by wall charger.

hmm..so is it the wifi then or wifi + charging thats causing the overheating? :/
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datawrhsdoc 06-01-2008 10:14 AM

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To avoid this problem when using WMWifirouter, I remove the case, open the keyboard and prop up the device so that there is maximum airflow on the device.

DDrake 06-01-2008 10:37 AM

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You could be damaging your battery by getting it too hot. Be very careful, if a battery gets too hot for too long the acid inside will start to evaporate causing the battery to bulge. At that point the battery will never hold a good charge and if continued, the battery can explode. I've done a test with exploding a phone battery and I'll tell you this, if that battery goes while it's in your pocket, good luck walking again.

gTen 06-01-2008 05:54 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
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Originally Posted by DDrake (Post 301419)
You could be damaging your battery by getting it too hot. Be very careful, if a battery gets too hot for too long the acid inside will start to evaporate causing the battery to bulge. At that point the battery will never hold a good charge and if continued, the battery can explode. I've done a test with exploding a phone battery and I'll tell you this, if that battery goes while it's in your pocket, good luck walking again.

well where it overheats it isn't in my pocket..but I am worried that it can cause it to fry. Not only the the battey but phone itself..but then what to do in this case, not to use wifi? :/

for wifi to cause overheating is kinda silly >.>
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holo 06-01-2008 07:12 PM

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it's the excessive battery drain and charging, I get this often while using slingbox to stream video with it plugged in (without wifi even on), and the device simply gets too hot.... the solutions mentioned are good and maybe even just aim a fan at it and/or take off the battery cover....

also, prop it up so that the bottom of the phone is not touching a surface, especially fabric or something, as this will be very insulating....

I wouldn't worry about it exploding. The battery contains a circuit that will kill the battery if it gets into that temperature range. The phone will probably shut off before that happens anyways...

Note however, that heat especially while charging will reduce the life of the battery. While a couple of times is probably not a big deal, if you are overheating it daily, you'll probably significantly reduce the length of time your battery will last.....

hibby50 06-01-2008 08:01 PM

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That sounds a bit odd... it maybe your phones internals. I would suggest buying a new faguglyfarchen board. :p

holo 06-01-2008 08:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hibby50 (Post 301771)
That sounds a bit odd... it maybe your phones internals. I would suggest buying a new faguglyfarchen board. :p


naw it's totally normal when doing something that is a big drain on the battery and charging at the same time....

gTen 06-01-2008 09:18 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by holo (Post 301733)
it's the excessive battery drain and charging, I get this often while using slingbox to stream video with it plugged in (without wifi even on), and the device simply gets too hot.... the solutions mentioned are good and maybe even just aim a fan at it and/or take off the battery cover....

also, prop it up so that the bottom of the phone is not touching a surface, especially fabric or something, as this will be very insulating....

I wouldn't worry about it exploding. The battery contains a circuit that will kill the battery if it gets into that temperature range. The phone will probably shut off before that happens anyways...

Note however, that heat especially while charging will reduce the life of the battery. While a couple of times is probably not a big deal, if you are overheating it daily, you'll probably significantly reduce the length of time your battery will last.....


Yeh opening up the keyboard just wans't enough...I'm already on the part of aiming a fan at it and thought about opening the cover but decided not too cause the location fo the fan may make battery fall out fairly easy.

I'm guessing then our cellphones aren't like laptops that don't need battery while plugged in ha? I wonder with all the mogul covers they got, do they have one with fans? lol

and yeh it is overheating daily which is why I am worried :(..it didn't do so in the winter..but toward spring it got more and more prone to do so.
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NF-1087 06-02-2008 09:53 AM

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I used that same app for one day and I noticed the phone would overheat while charging because that app is not battery friendly. So I would turn the air on and place the phone over the air vent while it was charging. Now I had to freeze the house but it worked.

I was glad I only used it for 1 day, since I had to wait for my DSL to get fixed. Ill only use that app again when I really need it.

gTen 06-02-2008 10:37 AM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
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Originally Posted by NF-1087 (Post 302230)
I used that same app for one day and I noticed the phone would overheat while charging because that app is not battery friendly. So I would turn the air on and place the phone over the air vent while it was charging. Now I had to freeze the house but it worked.

I was glad I only used it for 1 day, since I had to wait for my DSL to get fixed. Ill only use that app again when I really need it.

Yeh..but apparently, some experience this issue while just using wifi without wmrouter..whether wmrouter makes it overheat faster then wifi I don't know..but the issue is still there :/
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NF-1087 06-02-2008 12:00 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 302266)
Yeh..but apparently, some experience this issue while just using wifi without wmrouter..whether wmrouter makes it overheat faster then wifi I don't know..but the issue is still there :/

Oh ok, I must have missed that. I don't have that problem with just using WIFI, only when using wmrouter.

babudpoa 06-02-2008 12:47 PM

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hey guys,

i have a tytn II, it has the same problem, charge+wifi =over heat, absolute, try whatever way u want it, the phone willl get hot. if you use the wifi alone no overheating, if u just charge the set no overheating, if u charge the set and use just apps, or play games it gets mildly heat, but use charger+wifi it goes over the scale, infact i used a thermometer to check the temperature it was 87 Degrees, quite hot isn't it?

starfury1 06-02-2008 02:46 PM

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I had noticed this a long time ago. it really doesn't take much cooling to keep this from happening. I actually just taake an ice pack. and sit the phone on top of it. works like charm =)

gTen 06-02-2008 05:05 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by starfury1 (Post 302488)
I had noticed this a long time ago. it really doesn't take much cooling to keep this from happening. I actually just taake an ice pack. and sit the phone on top of it. works like charm =)



Yeh, I set the fan on my phone and its working great other then I'm down 1 fan..but hey its me or the phone..sacrifices must be made..lol


But that is a design flaw I hope HTC fixes in future phones :/...preferably making them similar to laptops where the battery isn't charged directly.
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When opening it up while hot I realized its actually the battery thats the hotest, thus the source of overheating. Probably due to charge + use up alot of energy at once.
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pflatlyne 06-03-2008 04:44 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chappy (Post 301001)
If by plugged in, you mean to your laptop, you're actually correct. The USB charge is a slow trickle charge, and more than likely you're draining your battery faster than it's being charged.


Thats been going around for awhile now and its completely incorrect. The USB port has enough power to run the phone with wifi and EVDO just fine. Whats happening is the phone is overheating. Its a well known problem.

The mogul generates alot of heat. The battery has a thermal cutoff in it. When it gets to hot, the battery stops charging and the yellow light starts blinking.

It helps if you take the back off the phone and open the keyboard to help the phone cool. If you set a fan blowing on it,it fixes it almost completely. (I'm trying to get a fat back battery cover so that I can mount a 4mm thick fan I bought on the battery to solve it once and for all. With a temperature switch,it wont even drain the battery as it will only run when the battery overheats on the charger)

You will sometimes find that the phone overheats and then you let the phone cool off,take the back off and open the keyboard,but it still has problems. Whats going on here is that the battery is already discharged. Charging the battery generates even more heat. The heat from the phone,plus the wifi plus charging is too much and the phone stops charging again.

Sometimes this even happens when the wifi is off depending on the ambient temperature,but its not as common. I suggest you complain loudly. Its unacceptable that the phone was release like this. It just dissipates to much heat. In fact,if the battery is dead,it can have this problem just taking on the phone which is rather irritating. Who ever heard of a phone that you cant plug into the charger when the battery goes dead to keep talking. Ive send mine back twice for overheating and they keep sending me another phone. My hope is that I can talk them into upgrading me to the new model after the sixth or sevent replacement. =)

gTen 06-04-2008 01:28 AM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
Does anyone know if newer phones like Diamond, Raphael and Instinct have these kind of issues as well or no?

my phone: :violent2:
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LoneSnark 06-15-2008 06:39 PM

Re: heat + power drain in wifi adhoc?
 
This seems like a reasonable restriction, just don't wifi unless the battery is already charged.

However, if I begin using the wifi for ICS then plugging it into a USB port just keeps on draining. If the battery was low (30%) when I started and then I use it for awhile, if I unplug it from the USB when I finish then the battery says it has been drained completely and must be recharged. Sure, the app uses a lot of power, so stop charging. But can't the phone itself subsist on USB power?

Either way, it is still a great phone, I don't mind letting it charge before engaging in such practices :-)


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