Figuring out if you're on RevA
 

Is there a way to figure out if you're on RevA without uploading/downloading anything?

Like, is there some number in fieldtest or that would be exposed to ril that would tell me if I'm on revA or not?

I've tried looking into ril, but it just returns RIL_SYSTEMTYPE_1XEVDOPACKET or RIL_SYSTEMTYPE_1XRTTPACKET, which doesn't really tell me if im on rev A, unless im overlooking something...

this rev A that we hear about, is it supposed to be a increase in bandwith from the carriers because of actual hardware upgrades/ or is it somekind of new data compression which allows more info to be transfered while the throughput stays the same? I have cricket as a carrier and we just got EVDO and so i imagine that i would not see any differnce on my phone.
And i personally think that if u cant tell ANY difference right now, then this rev A thing might just be a marketing ploy or an excuse to raise rates for a so called faster data transfer/ just my 2 pennies

Has anyone tried the obvious? That is doing a download (maybe download a ROM or something) then placing a call during the download to see if this is, truly, Rev A.

I know that doesn't answer your question, chem, but it just crossed my mind then I did a lame search to find out without any luck. As for me, fortunately I am in a Rev A area, thanks to the National Forest Folk's contract with Sprint, but am too chicken to flash. My data card is Rev A and been using it for over a year (now in a KR1) because that is this community's only option for hs internet other than silly sat. On the info page of the data card it reads "Rev A".

I know there is a procedure to read the signal on the Mogul, so I will look that up and see if the protocol shows up on the same page as the signal strength. I will let you know.

matt (haven't had my coffee, yet, so I'm rambling)

livejazz Trying to place a call during a download has nothing to do with rev A. As far as I know its not possible to have a data connection during a phone call.

I used to have a little write-up that I got from Sprint Partner Relations posted on my web site (www.corporatemobilesolutions.com) with all the particulars regarding Rev A. I put that up for a customer of mine that I eventually sold a few thousand Moguls to. I have since took it down, but left the sales sheet for the mogul on it. I will try to find it. It made a big deal about simultaneous voice and data and that was the big buzz for the first half of 07.

matt

Ok, no2chem. Here is the procedure for viewing the signal charactaristics:

Audiovox* UT STARCOM*/*HTC* PPC*6600,* PPC*6700,*XV*6700*
From the*phone*screen,*press *##33284#*or*##33284*and* press *DIAL.*Signal* strength*wi l l *be*after*RSS I*or*RX level .*

Formatting got goofed up with the cut and paste from the other document. I don't understand half the stuff on these screens, chem, but I know you will because you are the amazing no2chem! Hope this helps.

matt

that's what I heard, as well. just trying to verify that because I can't get any straight answers from my rep (probably because she can't get any from her boss). there was, however, a lot of wishful conversations going around my industry due to the need for simultaneous data and voice. I am definately going to try once I get the rom installed because my customers are wanting to know.

matt

from what I understand, the P_REV entry (all the way at the bottom) tells you what you are on)

6 should be 1xRTT/1xEV-DO rev. 0 and 7 should be 1xEV-DO rev. A.

Can anyone that knows they are in a rev. A area check that out and tell us what P_REV their phone shows?


edit:
I just read the wikipedia page on IS-95, and it says "P_REV=6 and beyond fall under the CDMA2000 umbrella. Besides technical improvements, the IS-2000 documents are much more mature in terms of layout and content. They also provide backwards-compatibility to IS-95."

i am in a RevA area. My sierra 595 gets revA speeds but my mogul with the newest beta rom doesnt :(

yeah, I've read that, but apparently P_REV has nothing to do with EVDO, and in a revA area, I still get P_REV = 6...

Same here i'm in NYC and we've had rev.a since they started it and mine reads P Rev in use 6... even though the gps is working and i am on no2chem's 6.1 rom I have a feeling i'm not on rev.A... my upload speeds really arent to high and my downloads r only about 500-700k. I'll try again later because i just got a new wifi card on my laptop maybe this will help cause i get much better speeds overall with it.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/229756619.png

well, im sure im getting revA.. uploads of 600k...

Nice... Maybe the network here is just too congested

380kbps is reva for sure too, i think rev0 would have technically maxed out at around 150

Yeah, Rev 0 uses 1xRTT's transmission for uploads I believe.

Also, EV-DO is not and never has been simultaneous voice and data capable. EV-DV promised both but the carriers had already adopted EV-DO and so the EV-DV project was dropped altogether.

True... Well in that case good to know its working
btw No2 gd job on 6.1!

Gee, all this rhetoric reminds me of my original question. Has anybody tried to place a voice call while downloading. That would be the "proof in the pudding" so to speak. I say this with all due respect for all of you incredibly intelligent folks, but I am in the industry just as some of you are and I have done some research on the subject. The bottom line is that it is possible that this unit may have the capability. Whether it be dual modulation through the radio or voice to one tower and data to another using two different channels (this is what evdo did, add multi-channel communication). evdo-evdv is a dead issue. Truth is that when evdo was first being bragged about by top Sprint folks to their stock holders, it was mentioned that the possibility of simultaneoud data and voice would be enabled. Now we see that the Qualcom chip plays friendly with this notion. This I read on a Qualcom Sales sheet for the processor chip. I don't think any of us will get a straight answer from the nice Sprint folks because if it is enabled, it is for a specific enterprise customer or two. They certainly do not want to make this news public because this would load down their circuits. We all know that the average consumer doesn't need to do this type of power usage. An example of the need for simultaneous voice and data would be a company that keeps track of company vehicle positions using the employee's Mogul that is constantly transmitting gps data over the wireless network. While transmitting this data, the employee is using the phone for voice communications. A large enterprise level corporation would have the logistical influence to cause Sprint to make this technology available, yet Sprint may not make it public knowledge and not a lot of people will check because no need. If, however, a public anouncement was made, it would be abused for all kinds of stupid reasons.

So it will be interesting to see if, aside from all the guessing, this ethearial capability may actually exist. I hope I haven't offended anyone that has committed to the statement of "no way". It's just that I have seen otherwise from so many different sources for so many months starting two years ago.

Ok. I am gonna take my soap box and go to another thread (lucky for you all). Let me just leave you with a vote of respect for all who have posted/responded one way or another and not trying to be contentious. I just would like to see someone try it to settle this once and for all (for now).

matt

I tried it and it does *NOT* work. Case closed.

The phone automatically falls back to 1x when you make a call and you can not do data and voice in 1x.

Thanks. You have the new ROM and you are in a rev a area, right?

matt

Yes and yes.

Almost all of Denver is Rev A

Any word from those in the Alltel camp? I'm still working with stock 2.17 because I don't want to risk my phone to a beta Rom. Also, where's this coverage map everyone keeps referring to? I'm in MI and I know Alltel's two "hotspots" for data are Florida and Michigan, so I'm hoping we've got Rev A!

I'm kinda late to chime in here but these are the EVDO specifics that I just posted in another thread...

Rev0
Upload- Peak-144kb- Average 50-70kb
Download-Peak 2mb- Average 400-700kb

RevA
Upload-Peak 1.8mb- Average 350-500kb
Download-Peak 3.1mb- Average 600kb-1.4mb

Rev 0 has really weak upload, rev A only adds about 10% to the down, but around 70% to the up speed.

Spot on. Proper information.