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canospinach 12-26-2007 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by digiblur (Post 149035)
Homeplug adapters are awesome. For stationary devices with no network drops available I'd use the homeplugs over wifi devices anyday. I've even seen a pair work from house to house with no issues.

Digiblur, did you miss my questions?

So what EXACTLY do i not know and how am i mistaken?

Be specific, show documentation links etc.

EDIT - BTW you bring up another VERY VALID issue, when using ANY "Homeplug" AC device you are sacrificing security as the power grid was never designed for this and is wide open. This is why you can port a signal between buildings which are ultimately on the same power feed. Your literally sending your signal everywhere it can go (to anyone who is connected) until the signal degrades. Thank you, i almost forgot about that! You make your network wide open and completely vulnerable to anyone with an AC plug in a nearby building. AC shares a common line from a local substation. So much for security ;-)

Again, not upto my expectations.

VW 12-26-2007 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by canospinach (Post 149036)

EDIT - BTW you bring up another VERY VALID issue, when using ANY "Homeplug" AC device you are sacrificing security as the power grid was never designed for this and is wide open. This is why you can port a signal between buildings which are ultimately on the same power feed. Your literally sending your signal everywhere it can go (to anyone who is connected) until the signal degrades. Thank you, i almost forgot about that! You make your network wide open and completely vulnerable to anyone with an AC plug in a nearby building. AC shares a common line from a local substation. So much for security ;-)

Again, not upto my expectations.

Well thats not 100% true. Most of the time homeplug wont even make it past your 200A main, and it certainly wont make it through your distribution transfomer (look up isolation transformer as it will act the same), so worst case scenario is your only sharing with those on your transfomer. Having said that I would buy a cheap buffalo router($50), slap DDWRT on there and run it in bridged mode.

canospinach 12-26-2007 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VW (Post 149141)
Well thats not 100% true. Most of the time homeplug wont even make it past your 200A main, and it certainly wont make it through your distribution transfomer (look up isolation transformer as it will act the same), so worst case scenario is your only sharing with those on your transfomer. Having said that I would buy a cheap buffalo router($50), slap DDWRT on there and run it in bridged mode.

Your absolutely right, I was making the point that AC Homeplug devices are neither as quality or secure as people would make them out to be.

People want to say "they are so great, no issues" yet they dont fully understand the potential drawbacks and device limitations.

That Linux DDWRT firmware rocks. I am using different versions of it at a couple different locations, on 2 different linksys routers. FYI my vote for Wireless AcessPoint/Bridge - Apple Airport Extreme. I recently threw one of these on my home office network, great device (although very limited firewall, not recommended as a primary device).

VW 12-26-2007 12:58 PM

I have not messed with the Airport Extreme yet. Im still running a g network. But you bring up another point. Suppose slinglink operates without problems as specified. Well its spec'ed up to 14Mbps, which means you will get probably 3-7Mbps at most, whereas if you run 802.11g you can expect upward of 25 Mbps, and if you go all out with a 802.11n system you could probably achieve wireless bandwith of 60+Mbps.

digiblur 12-26-2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VW (Post 149141)
Well thats not 100% true. Most of the time homeplug wont even make it past your 200A main, and it certainly wont make it through your distribution transfomer (look up isolation transformer as it will act the same), so worst case scenario is your only sharing with those on your transfomer. Having said that I would buy a cheap buffalo router($50), slap DDWRT on there and run it in bridged mode.

If you don't want your neighbors sharing off of you just turn on the encryption which is really doubtful unless you are in an apartment complex or something. You'd be silly to leave your Homeplug as default with no security.

digiblur 12-26-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VW (Post 149195)
I have not messed with the Airport Extreme yet. Im still running a g network. But you bring up another point. Suppose slinglink operates without problems as specified. Well its spec'ed up to 14Mbps, which means you will get probably 3-7Mbps at most, whereas if you run 802.11g you can expect upward of 25 Mbps, and if you go all out with a 802.11n system you could probably achieve wireless bandwith of 60+Mbps.

14 mbps is overkill for a Slingbox so it will work just fine. No need to buy a slinglink anyways, any homeplug pair should work just fine.

canospinach 12-26-2007 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by digiblur (Post 148260)
I see you know nothing about networking.

So what EXACTLY do i not know and how am i mistaken?

Be specific, show documentation links etc.

Digiblur, you came in here and told me i was "Wrong", please show me what it is you are referring to. As mentioned in my other post this is how it works. I share my opinion and the evidence why. If you disagree you state it AND SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE WHY.

Clearly at this point you are far from an expert and have shown us such by your own statements. If you wish to engage me as you did, you need to be prepared to justify your point or you need to learn to be respectful to those who know more than you do and refrain from making pointless comments.

I will repeat myself until you address the issue. If you need a translation i will be happy to provide.

Thanks in advance for your understanding and cooperation.

bigmikemn 12-26-2007 06:26 PM

For what it's worth - I have a Linksys router setup in my basement, and it is setup with custom firmware, as a Wireless bridge. I then have my Slingbox, PS2, and TiVo plugged into that.

VW 12-26-2007 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by digiblur (Post 149345)
14 mbps is overkill for a Slingbox so it will work just fine. No need to buy a slinglink anyways, any homeplug pair should work just fine.

Yes, but if you can get 14Mpbs I will eat my left... well anyway 3-5mbps would be good enough for slingbox, but getting a router and setting it up for wireless bridge is faster and cheaper (not to mention more versatile)

canospinach 12-26-2007 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digiblur (Post 149345)
14 mbps is overkill for a Slingbox so it will work just fine. No need to buy a slinglink anyways, any homeplug pair should work just fine.

Please show us a benchmark where you get even 14mbps on Slinglink.

What sources are you quoting?

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How am i mistaken?

What do i not know?
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i will take your silence as your concession that you realize your mistake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by digiblur (Post 149035)
I'd use the homeplugs over wifi devices anyday.

Seriously? you would run a dirty, noisy slow line like Homeplug AC.......

Instead of utilizing a dynamically clear, clean, easily upto 10x faster, far more secure wifi network?

You seriously want to argue that point?

so far I have shown you AC is noisy, dirty and slow. Its purely an advantage for the novice where simplicity is the key. Wireless bridge may be more complicated a setup but offers HUGE advantages, expandability of the setup (multiple devices), clean, MUCH higher security, low cost of setup and higher quality broadcast due to higher throughput.

So tell me again...HOW is SlingLink better overall?


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