Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

I can't wait for you to update your kernel. Maybe someone will make a GUI for the voltage. Love your work ziggy keep it up.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Ziggy, per the GPL, I am formally requesting that you publish the source code, via your choice of version control system, or as a tarball.


Thanks!

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Seeing all the the great work you've done, the paranas still want your code. Gotta say your May 3rd kernel is definitely one of your best. Deadly combination of superior performance and battery life. Everything works flawlessly. Keep up the great work.

Paypal confirm # 2966978163306315M.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

I just finished reading about how the May 3rd kernel allows you to choose specific frequencies to be used or not, and I'm wondering how difficult that is to implement. I looked at ziggy's post describing how to do it, but as someone who is not all that familiar with terminal or adb I'm wondering if I might want to try out an earlier kernel until someone creates an app/program to make it easier for newbs like myself? It doesn't look too difficult. I guess I could just take the plunge and give it a shot, eh? Doesn't really seem like I could totally mess anything up, and if I did I could always restore a backup. Anyway, excited to try out these kernels again. Had good luck with his back in early April and then he disappeared for a while. Been running Imoseyon's lean extreme and been pretty happy, but the flash-a-holic in me needs to try something else!

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

You can still flash his May 3rd kernel without having to use his toogle frequencies feature. You can use it like one of his previous kernels. The feature is there for people who want to use it.

Adrynalyne, Your needs as a dev are not synchronous with mine as a user. I need better kernels and roms for my phone. Whether they comply with gpl or not is immaterial to me at the moment. If ziggy needs his sandbox to get this to be even better, most users will be fine with it. He is not selling the kernels, they are hosted on a 3rd party site. Let him be till he has cleaned up his code, finished his enhancements and can release it. We know he is aware that the gpl license will need to be complied with.

Ziggy, On a side note, I just tried imoseyons kernel (2.6.35.9) for the bolt and I would love to see you work on that or the 2.6.39 trees. That is if my assumption about newer trees being more efficient is correct.

Finally, this kernel is giving me ridiculously good battery life now. It sat on 100% for so long on day 1 that I thought there was something wrong with the device (2 hours plus)... I was shocked to find that the phone was stable with the low end being pegged to as low as 24 (did have slow wake issues). I am now running it at 61/1036 smartass and happy as a pig.

Sent from my thunderbolt

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Thank you for your input.

Its irrelevant to my request however. So if it doesn't concern you, please ignore it.

He has been using this same excuse of "clean up" for 6 months. Check his blog. I post all of my source, and so do most other devs, lest they fall to the same criticism.

We don't like it when HTC breaks the GPL guidelines, so we should all lead by example.

As for the piranhas comment above, thats cute. I have no need for his code. I just feel that folks should stand up to their word. If you post on your blog that you are pulling kernels until your source gets taken care of, and then post them on another site...thats pretty messed up.

His blog about it was taken down yesterday, but google cache doesn't lie.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

This doesn't have to be a big deal. Just publish your source. The source was published to you to modify, now do the open source community right and give back to it. Calling me a piranha or telling me how my needs don't matter to users is pretty immature.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

You do understand, without GPL compliance your precious kernels would not exist right?

I am not familiar with Ziggy's work, however I hear it is very good. I am familiar with the development community and how the GPL works. I am not accusing him of anything, other than being in non compliance, but consider the only two possible reasons for non compliance.

Only reason for someone or a company not to release their source code is to stifle community development, or hide something shady/illicit. To allow for code clean up is the same excuse HTC gave me in the past, it does not make sense and is not a valid reason.

With the kernel being the core of the system, a person could be doing anything from it. "Key logging", sniffing traffic, making a phone botnet who knows. Fact is GPL compliance helps use avoid this, but show there is nothing to hide.

The other option, is he is stifling development on this platform, for whatever his reasons are.

So either he is hiding something, or purposely stifling the community development on this device.

Pick one

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

I agree. Why not just release the code? So many talk of the great kernels ziggy does so we would all benefit if the source was released. It's really all about this community and the tireless work the devs do for zilch. Anything that would enhance our experience is a plus in my book.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Guys, the source is publicly up. In fact, I'm cloning the mecha source right now.

PPCGeeks does not require him to post a link to it just prove to us that it is publicly available.

Maybe if you spend less time riding his ass and just shot him a PM he may even do the leg work and just link you rather than expecting you guys to use some common sense and find it on his web page, lol.

He has been working on setting up his own git server for some time. He used to host his tar balls on my site. The source has always been there. Just not on a silver platter with some one spooning it to you.

You want the source, send him a PM don't post your email publicly. Try just talking to him rather than starting a riot, and reporting PPCGeeks for GPL violations when we're clearly not. We're not even hosting said binaries. And we've already asked him for source and he produced.

You guys need to get some facts straight before you start a lynch mob and drag everyone through mud for nothing.

He is in compliance with the GPL, It's currently uploaded and available to the public if they looked.

Don't bother reporting this thread it will be ignored.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Really, where is the URL?

As for starting a riot, I did no such thing. I even requested the source, both here, and on XDA, and received no response.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Ive edited Ziggy's home url to make it easier to find the source go take a look. And removed the links to older tar balls from my site.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

EDIT Mr X (mod here and apparently Ziggy's webadmin) added the source link publicly now, but it was not publicly available before, and Ziggy admitted this himself. http://i.imgur.com/FFXl0.png This should now settle the issue for everyone I hope.

<old post starts here>

You sir are wrong, there is not matching source (at the time of these postings) to his kernel that is publicly available. There is no source on his site, that matches the kernels he has posted. Similar source, original source, source from another kernel does not constitute compliance.

He heve admits this himself.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Why are you posting an image to his site before I put in the Git tab. I stated that i just added that.

The source was up on a publicly accessible url. The fact that it wasn't linked in the top bar until I decided to make it easier to find does not negate the fact it was publicly up.

Why are you linking to a previous post that was also taken down since he got the git server working and moved away from randomly updated tarballs.

And by the way that source is newer than the publicly compiled binaries. And its the exact source that was used for all the kernels in the first post. It's just been further patched and updated.




Just sayin'

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

jcase is making a point that the source does not match the kernels posted.

At any rate, thank you for this, but remember, publishing source does not mean putting it on a publicly accessible website, with no link, and no replies to requests for it.

If you don't publish the link, whether accessible or not, its private.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

At the time of writing it (which should of been obvious from my edits) you had not replied saying you had added the GIT link.

Putting the source on a publicly facing server, then NOT telling people where it is, AND telling them it is NOT available (please see http://i.imgur.com/2IsxO.png) does not meet the requirements of the GPL, and does not constitute publicly available source.

Just sayin' you were mistaken in your post. I understand the need to defend friends, and I respect that. However that does not change the facts.

The whole issue was not that it is available now, but previously (you know when the issue was raised).

Further more, I have been unable to get the source to build as is, with the standard toolchain and an environment that builds stock source fine. With tweaking it might build, but right now I just don't have time. (I am not the only one that is experiencing this).

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Sending him a pm would have been much more efficient then asking in the thread and getting angry if it gets over looked or ignored for what ever reason.

So now your complaining that he hasn't posted source separately for every single change in kernel revision. so the recent source that all those kernels derived from is not good enough eh?

If this isn't something personal then you got some work lined up for yah. I can find dozens of threads on XDA that have archived kernel and Roms with said kernels that the source has been updated for and no longer "current for the posted source"

Shall we launch a full blown movement in general. Or are we just after Ziggy right now.

Hell the CM rom i'm running has a kernel that the publicly posted source is no longer available for. it doesn't exists it has been assimilated by the currently up to date source.

So are we good here now? Because i'd like to clean up this thread and get it back on topic.


The source is now up. Any further discussion is to be done in PM to Ziggy or who ever else you wish to contact about this.

Edit: I just called Ziggy as well to let him know i made the changes to his url, and he said to tell you it wasn't ignored. He has been pulling 12h days at work and you were on the list to get back to.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Why would someone PM Ziggy asking, after he already told us publicly that it was not available? How does that make sense at all? The source posted does not seem to match ANY kernel he posted, and does not properly build as-is.

Where did anyone complain about needing source to all of them? (I may have missed this)

No one ever targeted Ziggy specifically, we pipe'd up on a point, that many of us do when we see this happening. Refusal to comply is different than not having source available publicly. He did both.

Your points are invalid. Cleaning up this thread would serve no purpose other than to hide a chain of events. It should be preserved for public record.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

You will have to use arm-linux-gnueabi gcc 4.5

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Will give it a go after the Google I/O is over for the day.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Because PM'ing him directly for contact rather then having the possibility of posting in a thread and it being missed seems like a smart idea to me. Its what i would do.

Cleaning up would have the posts moved out to there own thread.

"You sir are wrong, there is not matching source (at the time of these postings) to his kernel that is publicly available. There is no source on his site, that matches the kernels he has posted. Similar source, original source, source from another kernel does not constitute compliance."

This is the tree that every single one of those kernels came from.

You asked for the source tree, you got the source tree. You got the source tree in mid update. So you have a newer source tree then the posted kernel. All of the posted kernels were built from this source tree and so will be the next one.

It is what it is and at this point if you are still not happy then go do what you have to do.

What are you aiming for. Pulling down the links to the kernels until he posts this build?

And like i said, if you had contacted him directly, or even in this thread because he did see it just hadn't been free long enough to get back to you. The source was available.

That is how i got it.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

The request for code was obviously not missed, and you are ignoring that fact. He replied and said no (more or less). If the source builds, I got what I wanted, and requested nothing more than that.

At the time of writing that post, the source was not publicly available. You know this. You are making excuses for what was done, but a mod making excuses does not make it right. However, since it seems to have been made right, it should be over now.

I appreciate you working to get the source publicly available.

I believe these posts should stay here, to keep a complain thread.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

He may have said no earlier, i cant find any record of that on ppcgeeks (just like google is saying with Honeycomb source because its shit right now)

But the source was made available. As per GPL it was available upon request as soon as his Git server was up.

You came here, the source was asked for and it had not even been replied to yet.

Can't say he said no here.

What ever happened on XDA happened there the kernels are no longer on XDA so any conversations or transactions between user on XDA is not here obviously.

What ever he posted on his blog and decided to remove after it was no longer valid is also not here. All these things Did not happen here.

You asked for the source, He didn't have the time to reply I went out of my way to get it done for you.

So thats what it boils down to.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Your honeycomb analogy is not a valid one, HoneyComb kernel source WAS released, google said no to Honeycomb APACHE licensed parts, and that was within their rights. Apache does not require the source to be distributed.

It was not available upon original request, original requests results with a no posted to his blog. I can certainly say he said no, does not matter where he put his reply. You can not deny he said no.

I am unaware of what happened on XDA, I was unaware he posted on XDA. I am unable to follow every thread or post.

What boils down to, he violated the GPL, it took a community effort to get it corrected. He is being erroneously defended by people who do not understand, or who simply won't admit that he/they were incorrect in actions.

fyi
The source still does not compile with that toolchain you recommended, I will resync later tonight, possible that is an error on my end.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Its user error, pull the config from one of his kernels and see if that works for you.

Building here for me just fine

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Will pull it tonight

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

For those wanting to build this, here is the config from Ziggy's kernels.

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Source builds fine.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

First off, I don't appreciate my thread being hijacked.

Second, I really wasn't online much last night, at least not checking things here, I spent a 12 hour day yesterday on the range, over 3K rounds down range with just 3 shooters, a mix of 5.56mm on HK 416's and 9mm on Sig 229's. I didn't know any of this was going on until somewhere after 1032 EST, when I got the notification of a reported post by Andrynalyn, just like every other mod on the site. We had very little cell coverage, let alone reliable data coverage on the ranges. The first thing I did was a voice call to Mr. X, who by the way is not just a mod, he's the site administrator, and asked him to handle it, thank god for GVoice, I hate bills for calls to Canada.

Mr. X started to keep me in the loop at that time, he is also the one who added the link to my git server on my website, yes, he's an admin there too. Since PPCG doesn't requite me to post the link to the source, I hadn't, but the server had been up since I started posting here, whether you care to believe that or not. If you also care to check, I have never started a kernel thread at XDA, nor do I really intend to. Others have started them because of my kernels, and I take that as a complement that they appreciate my work enough to start a thread.

I planned on having the git server up and going long before I got the TB, I hadn't had much time to devote to getting it set up due to my battle with the AF to remain on active duty after my med board came back. They wanted to separate me with compensation at 18 years 3 months, I fought it and was allowed to stay on active duty until 20, so I could retire. I'm not using this is an excuse, I don't make excuses, and I don't lie, I have to do poly's once a year. I'm mentioning it so you may understand why I haven't been able to get things going sooner.

If you can't get it to compile, that's not really my issue, but I'll give you a list of what I'm running:
Ubuntu 11.04 32bit (installed Saturday afternoon from scratch)
arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc

Nothing else really special, other than in Natty, they don't use gnueabi 4.4 by default and 4.4 is borked in their packages anyway, hence me doing fixes in order for a warning free compile last night. I don't use the ndk toolchain anymore, decided to clean things up a bit and started using standard gnu gcc.

As for the config, I include the config in my kernels, you can get it from a running kernel at /proc/config.gz, or a non-running kernel using extract_ikconfig, come on guys this is simple shit. I can't guarantee that it will compile with the default config, never really tried that, I use my own config. Hell, I don't even compile in the same directory as the source, for the MECHA, I run 2 kernels from the same tree, and the frankenstine, 12 kernels from the same tree, again, simple shit guys.

I don't plan on being online much tonight, another long day today, 4K rounds down range, again, just the three shooters, and it was a nice sunny 75F/24C out today, see X, I converted it for you. lol All I wanted to do when I got home was to clean up, site down and enjoy some ice cold beer. This is what I intended on doing once I finish writing this, the beer is in the freezer getting really cold right now. :D


Now off to enjoy my beer,

Z

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

hurray now those 2 can stop harassing you

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

At least they're not impersonating me and asking for donations, you remember that, that's how we kind of met. lmao


Z

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

hahaha yeah that was cool. I'll never forget that.
Hey I saw somebody was running 184mhz I think on a tbolt sense kernel. Maybe you can make a test build?
Twitter

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Mine have gone down to 122MHz for awhile, and now down to 24MHz, really psycho, you need to keep up, sorry it's moving to fast for you right now. lmao


Z

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

I'm NEVER on here anymore and last week all i had was my phone. so the only updates i really get is from your emails, and if you don't know me very well, its hard for me to pay attention

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

I for one, am happy that this was resolved. I had no itentions of originally reporting the thread, until I was called a piranha. At that point I, like most humans would, got mad and I made the report.

Otherwise, I would have stayed more than content to wait on a reply.

At any rate, no point in continuing.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

I appreciate that, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, was a little worn out after all those rounds down range.

BTW, offer still stands, if you need help, just let me know, PM me here or XDA, and I'll reply with an email. I've been doing kernels since '98, I'm not a new kid on the block, if you didn't realise that from my reply to your thread when you asked for assistance with the FPS patch.


Z

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Hey Ziggy,

Thanks for everything that you do.
I have a question about mecha BFS 050111..
I am suddenly having incredible problems with my WIFI. Turns on,then shuts off then can't be found etc...
I'm too much of a novice for Mecha BFS 050311.
Is this a problem with the Kernel or with my Virusrom program (I have RC1B3).
What do you recommend???
Again Thank you for everything

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Kid,

There was no harassment from me, I never insulted or ragged on Ziggy, I stated I wad unfamiliar with the circumstances, and made comments on the GPL compliance. 99.999% of my posts had to do with Mr X, and not Ziggy.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

100% of your posts were directed to me, lets keep this civil and not clutter up this thread any more then it has been.

I have not cleaned it on your request. I will wipe it if this continues.

You've already banned him from IRC no need to let this spill over onto the message boards. Both of you guys take it to PM or get out.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Wipe it for all I care. My opinions are formed.

Re: [Kernel] Ziggy471 MECHA BETA Kernel UPDATED 3 May 11
 

Agreed so no need to continue this then. We're all capable of being civil.