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infinitemethod 06-15-2010 06:11 PM

video recording
 
I was just testing it out. Had on 720p vs the lower res. and the lower res. All look better. How is that possible? I know coming from a cellphone I wasn't expecting much, but I assumed the 720p would be much better than any of the lower res'. Anybody know why?

gator352 06-15-2010 06:15 PM

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Because it doesn't record in HD. It records in 720p to fit the native resolutions of HD tv's. So when you hook it up to your 47", it fits the screen natively instead of being in a letterbox format.

ajkron 06-15-2010 08:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gator352 (Post 1817190)
Because it doesn't record in HD. It records in 720p to fit the native resolutions of HD tv's. So when you hook it up to your 47", it fits the screen natively instead of being in a letterbox format.


excuse my ignorance but if it records in 720p is that not hd?

Ticklemepinks 06-15-2010 08:39 PM

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and video i record in 720p on here looks way better than sumthin like vga! wut are yawl talkin bout??

infinitemethod 06-15-2010 09:24 PM

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720p is HD. Not sure what happened. i'll upload two different videos to show this. I mean, my 720 isn't good.

rooster94 06-15-2010 09:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gator352 (Post 1817190)
Because it doesn't record in HD. It records in 720p to fit the native resolutions of HD tv's. So when you hook it up to your 47", it fits the screen natively instead of being in a letterbox format.

You can actually change the settings on your tv from native to I think letterbox and something else, at least on my Samsung you can. Assuming its really that important to you.

ajkron 06-15-2010 11:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by infinitemethod (Post 1817551)
720p is HD. Not sure what happened. i'll upload two different videos to show this. I mean, my 720 isn't good.


lol hope so if not im taking all 5 of my hd tv's back for a refund lol

BrianFX 06-16-2010 12:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by infinitemethod (Post 1817182)
I was just testing it out. Had on 720p vs the lower res. and the lower res. All look better. How is that possible? I know coming from a cellphone I wasn't expecting much, but I assumed the 720p would be much better than any of the lower res'. Anybody know why?

It looks like ass (and sounds even worse) b/c of the insanely low bitrate HTC choose to use for 720p recording, likely as a limitation of the microSD card being the storage device (slower write speed).

Unfortunately for the EVO, the Galaxy S' 720p recording runs circles around it (the iPhone 4 will likely too).

Donatom3 06-16-2010 01:17 PM

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BrianFX, you bring up a good point. What if the phone will actually use a higher bitrate with a class 4 or class 6 card. I know there are point and shoot cameras that limit the amount of time you can record on 720p based on your memory card speed.

NuLLKiLL 06-16-2010 01:19 PM

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I got a new Canon Ti2 which will do 1080P video but they warn you in the manual that if you do not have a Class 6 card it will not work. I am using a class 4 card in my EVO and the Video looks great.

BrianFX 06-16-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatom3 (Post 1818645)
BrianFX, you bring up a good point. What if the phone will actually use a higher bitrate with a class 4 or class 6 card. I know there are point and shoot cameras that limit the amount of time you can record on 720p based on your memory card speed.

I read at least one forum report that changing the class of microSD had no affect on video bitrate. Likely it's going to involve some type of software/ROM editing to get the video recorder to switch to a higher bitrate when a higher class microSD is used..

ajkron 06-16-2010 01:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1818651)
I got a new Canon Ti2 which will do 1080P video but they warn you in the manual that if you do not have a Class 6 card it will not work. I am using a class 4 card in my EVO and the Video looks great.


can anyone else confirm if the class of the sd card will make a difference recording hd on the evo? also nullkill, if it wouldnt be too much trouble could you post a video. i would really like to see how much better your quality is than mine.

as always, thanks for all the helpful peeps on this forum you guys are invaluable!

NuLLKiLL 06-16-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ajkron (Post 1818744)
can anyone else confirm if the class of the sd card will make a difference recording hd on the evo? also nullkill, if it wouldnt be too much trouble could you post a video. i would really like to see how much better your quality is than mine.

as always, thanks for all the helpful peeps on this forum you guys are invaluable!

LoL That was the first thing I tried and You tube converted it to crap! I'll try again.
Went back and now it's in 720P haha here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXW4oR2Eg4M
I'm not saying it's the most amazing but it's damn good for a phone and it gets alot better at the end when I go outside as I started recording through a window.

Make sure you select the 720P option or it will look like crap!

ajkron 06-16-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1818758)
LoL That was the first thing I tried and You tube converted it to crap! I'll try again.
Went back and now it's in 720P haha here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXW4oR2Eg4M
I'm not saying it's the most amazing but it's damn good for a phone and it gets alot better at the end when I go outside as I started recording through a window.

Make sure you select the 720P option or it will look like crap!

well you actually cleared up 2 things for me. first not sure if the sd card makes a difference as i cannot tell a difference between your video and mine. i think we need some experts to comment on that. second i have always wondered if those damn upside down gardens actually work. i will have to get one by the end of the week lol.

thanks for taking the time to do that

NuLLKiLL 06-16-2010 02:29 PM

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LoL I was hoping that would help someone (the garden thing). I love my topsy turbee or whatever!

Again I didn't notice any difference between recording with the Class 2 but thought the video was pretty good and didn't get what the complaints were about. I can post a video of my $1000 canon camera and it will not be much better!

TheMostToys 06-16-2010 03:05 PM

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I see absolutely no difference between the 8GB class 2 that came with the EVO and a 16GB class 6 from newegg.

pinkbunniz 06-16-2010 03:20 PM

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Ive noticed that issue too. When I record with 720p it is kind of grainy. I dont know if its just that I was comming from a tp2 and we all know how bad that the video/picture quality on that was. I have never tried using the hdmi outputs on the phone to a hdtv but i was always just hoping that if i ever got the chance it would look better. but although our evos have a 8mp camera on it i still dont expect it to be the best quality.

brownhornet 06-16-2010 03:28 PM

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This one looks great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkn7Z...eature=related

BrianFX 06-16-2010 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1818758)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXW4oR2Eg4M
I'm not saying it's the most amazing but it's damn good for a phone and it gets alot better at the end when I go outside as I started recording through a window.

For comparison's sake, here is a sample of 720p recording from the Samsung Galaxy S. Listen to the degree of audio quality difference too, completely a different level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47yo6RSvs4

NuLLKiLL 06-16-2010 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianFX (Post 1818971)
For comparison's sake, here is a sample of 720p recording from the Samsung Galaxy S. Listen to the degree of audio quality difference too, completely a different level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47yo6RSvs4

I'm sorry but is that a joke? Am I supposed to notice something different between the 3 vids in this thread other than inside the camera sucks? I'm done with this thread EVO has a damn nice camera. I know some of you are gunna blah blah blah....... and you know what? it's still is a nice camera.

brownhornet 06-16-2010 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianFX (Post 1818971)
For comparison's sake, here is a sample of 720p recording from the Samsung Galaxy S. Listen to the degree of audio quality difference too, completely a different level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47yo6RSvs4

Audio is better but the video really isnt that impressive. Im no fan of apple products but truth be told their pics/vids are going to crush ours and samsungs.

BrianFX 06-16-2010 03:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1818989)
I'm sorry but is that a joke? Am I supposed to notice something different between the 3 vids in this thread other than inside the camera sucks? I'm done with this thread EVO has a damn nice camera. I know some of you are gunna blah blah blah....... and you know what? it's still is a nice camera.

No need to get defensive. I thought it would be informative for comparison's sake. The difference in audio clarity is by far the most noticeable, I hope HTC is able to improve the audio clarity for EVO owners. The Samsung approaches the quality of my MinoHD flipcam, perhaps with a firmware update the EVO's recording quality can also be improved.

BrianFX 06-16-2010 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1819002)
Audio is better but the video really isnt that impressive. Im no fan of apple products but truth be told their pics/vids are going to crush ours and samsungs.

Granted without panning, it doesn't really show the 30fps advantage vs the EVO's 20-25fps. Definitely greater sharpness and less artificating (as a result of a higher bitrate).

I agree that the iPhone 4's video recording will likely take the winning spot, I look forward to seeing some samples to compare against the EVO and Galaxy S.

ajkron 06-16-2010 03:54 PM

Re: video recording
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1818989)
I'm sorry but is that a joke? Am I supposed to notice something different between the 3 vids in this thread other than inside the camera sucks? I'm done with this thread EVO has a damn nice camera. I know some of you are gunna blah blah blah....... and you know what? it's still is a nice camera.


lol are you serious? sure there is a difference. you actually have a brain. no difference whatsoever!

NuLLKiLL 06-16-2010 04:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajkron (Post 1819035)
lol are you serious? sure there is a difference. you actually have a brain. no difference whatsoever!

LoL I was starting to wonder!

NuLLKiLL 06-16-2010 10:50 PM

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FYI for all you really smart people. I just showed the video to my wife and she told me why you think the audio sucks. YOUR HEARING THE HIGHWAY! It's about a mile from my house and is not really that audible but the amazing mic on the EVO picked it up. I was really wondering what the hell you people were talking about as I was impressed with the audio!

rooster94 06-16-2010 11:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1819862)
FYI for all you really smart people. I just showed the video to my wife and she told me why you think the audio sucks. YOUR HEARING THE HIGHWAY! It's about a mile from my house and is not really that audible but the amazing mic on the EVO picked it up. I was really wondering what the hell you people were talking about as I was impressed with the audio!

Haha. This just made my day. People thought the audio sucked, turns out it was just that good.

Sent from my Evo using Tapatalk Pro

BrianFX 06-17-2010 03:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuLLKiLL (Post 1819862)
FYI for all you really smart people. I just showed the video to my wife and she told me why you think the audio sucks. YOUR HEARING THE HIGHWAY! It's about a mile from my house and is not really that audible but the amazing mic on the EVO picked it up. I was really wondering what the hell you people were talking about as I was impressed with the audio!

It's not just the audio in your sample, it's the audio in every EVO 720p sample (I've viewed dozens). It sounds like 16kbps or less. You don't need to be an audiophile to detect the difference. The audio is very flat, hollow, low quality sounding.

Take the first 5 seconds of your video for example, the sound of your own voice (before you open the window, i.e. no highway noise yet). Compare that to the audio in the Galaxy S sample. World of difference. If you cannot hear the difference, then let's just end this discussion and move on.

gator352 06-17-2010 07:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajkron (Post 1817437)
excuse my ignorance but if it records in 720p is that not hd?

No. 720p is just a resolution and width pixel count. Let me explain....

The native resolution mentioned in HDTV specification sheets is a measure of the number of pixels a display has. All video sources will be scaled to match the native resolution of the display. If the video source is a match then no scaling is required. If you are choosing a HDTV for gaming then you should match the screen native resolution to the video output resolution of your games console. This avoids the annoying scaling lag which can be annoying to avid gamers.

All fixed-pixel displays have a native resolution spec that tells you how many pixels the display actually has. Native resolution is the absolute limit on the amount of detail you’ll see.
Two common broadcast HD resolutions are 1080i and 720p. Generally the progressive scan 720p should provide a smoother image which is sharper during action scenes. The most recent standard, 1080p has the smoother, sharper image of 720p while gaining the extra lines of resolution of 1080p. The 1080p video standard is not broadcast yet but is available from Blu-ray discs and some video game consoles such as Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and Sony’s PlayStation 3.

When shooting 720p with a consumer grade camera or video recorder, the video is shot at 640x480 but uses video codecs to achieve the 720p resolution. Much like using Nero or Cyberlink software to upscale a 640x480 video to AVCHD to be played in a Blu-ray player to achieve a native resolution of 1080p. Otherwise it will automatically be viewed in a letterbox format or it will auto upscale (depending on your tv) and look stretched.

Compare the difference between the NATgeo HD station and the NATgeo regular station. There's a world of difference in picture quality because the NATgeo HD is formatted to fit 1080p HDTV's and the other is not even though they are shot with the same camera. BUT....High-end commercial grade cameras shoot in 720p or 1080p natively as where consumer grade cameras do not. Hence the difference when watching NATgeo HD about gorillas then a commercial comes on and it's in a different format and looks fuzzy and in a box. The commercial was NOT shot with a HD camera with a native resolution of 720 or 1080p.

The EVO doesn't shoot 720p natively, it just shoots 720 pixels to fit your HDTV. Shoot a video with your EVO in 720p and compare it with NATgeo HD, Fox HD, etc. and notice the difference in quality. HD is slung around these days like the word hero. Just by being able to hook up something electronic to an HDTV using an HDMI or Composit cable is considered HD to manufacturers for marketing hype even though the cam, etc. doesn't shoot in 720 or 1080p, but the box will say HD.....only because it can be hooked up using a digital cable such as HDMI.

elementalwindx 06-17-2010 09:09 AM

Re: video recording
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianFX (Post 1818971)
For comparison's sake, here is a sample of 720p recording from the Samsung Galaxy S. Listen to the degree of audio quality difference too, completely a different level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47yo6RSvs4


WOW! Evo should be recording at something like that, too bad it doesnt. ](*,)](*,)](*,)


Another HTC fail. #3 in a row. Moguel, TP, EVO... HTC Your not doing it right...I hate apple but HTC needs to hire them as consultants.


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