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xxxjdoggxxx 10-09-2011 01:56 AM

Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
I just read that Sprint is no longer expanding wimax and is going with LTE now instead. I have been waiting for a couple years to get 4g speeds where I live and bought a EVO 3D (not to mention payed $10 extra a month) in anticipation of eventually having 4g service where I live. I am now wondering if I will get screwed and have to wait another 2 years (while continuing to use slow 3g) to buy a LTE capable phone or if the EVO 3D is capable of LTE.

Jackietreehorn 10-10-2011 12:04 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
Short answer: No, the Evo 3D will not be able to use LTE when it rolls out.

fixxxer2012 10-10-2011 07:44 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by Jackietreehorn (Post 2149622)
Short answer: No, the Evo 3D will not be able to use LTE when it rolls out.


it's a crap move on sprints part as everyone who wants to use the lte will have to buy new phones, even at retail price.

i also do not see sprint getting lte off the ground until at least 2013.

guitardoc64 10-10-2011 10:58 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
I had thought I'd seen somewhere before the release date that it would need a firmware update to be LTE. Of course they also said it would do 1080p video. Luckily the 3G in my area has steadily gotten better, and with the EVDO upgrades they are rolling out they will supposedly have 3G speeds that rival WIMAX.

gullzway 10-10-2011 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by guitardoc64 (Post 2149730)
I had thought I'd seen somewhere before the release date that it would need a firmware update to be LTE. Of course they also said it would do 1080p video. Luckily the 3G in my area has steadily gotten better, and with the EVDO upgrades they are rolling out they will supposedly have 3G speeds that rival WIMAX.

What evdo upgrades are they rolling out, Rev_B?

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masetas 10-11-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by guitardoc64 (Post 2149730)
I had thought I'd seen somewhere before the release date that it would need a firmware update to be LTE. Of course they also said it would do 1080p video. Luckily the 3G in my area has steadily gotten better, and with the EVDO upgrades they are rolling out they will supposedly have 3G speeds that rival WIMAX.

What evdo upgrades are they rolling out, Rev_B?

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sprint is saying that they are going to be running rev-b by this time next year only thing is not all the phones out now are going to be capable of taking advantage of it

Jackietreehorn 10-11-2011 10:39 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by gullzway (Post 2149734)
What evdo upgrades are they rolling out, Rev_B?

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No, just backhaul upgrades. They're also going to be working on 1xAdvanced.

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sprint is saying that they are going to be running rev-b by this time next year only thing is not all the phones out now are going to be capable of taking advantage of it

Unless they've made an additional announcement since their October 7th meeting, that's simply not true. That was the rumor, but didn't have anything come of it. Perhaps you're confusing 1xAdvance with Rev B (not the same thing)?

masetas 10-12-2011 01:04 AM

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thats what various other members have stated on here as well as sprint c.s. reps

eric12341 10-15-2011 04:59 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
I read in the sprint blog announcement for network vision and they said that they are not interested in Rev.B and have just decided to skip to wimax and LTE which is a shame because Rev.B is faster than Wi-Max while EDGE is faster than Rev.A in my city and a handful of other places. don't know what's going on with sprint and why it's taking soo long to fix as last year at this time the 3G speeds were fast enough for everything I could ever want to do. as for the question at hand the 3VO will not support LTE but it will support the 800mhz band when network vision is rolled out in its entirety.

xxxjdoggxxx 10-15-2011 06:19 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2150454)
I read in the sprint blog announcement for network vision and they said that they are not interested in Rev.B and have just decided to skip to wimax and LTE which is a shame because Rev.B is faster than Wi-Max while EDGE is faster than Rev.A in my city and a handful of other places. don't know what's going on with sprint and why it's taking soo long to fix as last year at this time the 3G speeds were fast enough for everything I could ever want to do. as for the question at hand the 3VO will not support LTE but it will support the 800mhz band when network vision is rolled out in its entirety.

I have also noticed a drop in my 3g speeds. When I had my Touch Pro 2 my speeds were fast enough to do anything I need ed to. Now that I have the Evo 3D my 3G speeds are horrible most of the time. Maybe it is possible it is something to do with the EVO 3d and not the network though. I am not sure. All I know is if the Evo 3D does not work with LTE I will likely be stuck with slow 3G for another 2 years (and paying $10 extra a month for "premium data" which I am not getting).

eric12341 10-15-2011 07:36 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by xxxjdoggxxx (Post 2150464)
I have also noticed a drop in my 3g speeds. When I had my Touch Pro 2 my speeds were fast enough to do anything I need ed to. Now that I have the Evo 3D my 3G speeds are horrible most of the time. Maybe it is possible it is something to do with the EVO 3d and not the network though. I am not sure. All I know is if the Evo 3D does not work with LTE I will likely be stuck with slow 3G for another 2 years (and paying $10 extra a month for "premium data" which I am not getting).

to test whether it's the phone or the towers try ur speeds at various times of the day/night and in a different town. where in WI do u live? if around Kenosha I can attest because the 3G speeds there were lacking as of the last time I've been there.

yankees45us 10-15-2011 09:13 PM

Good thing is today Sprint is suppose to improve tm3g all across the board. I'm looking forward to that. I myself have had horrible 3g speeds lately. They better do it fast especially with all these new iphones getting on the network.

Sent from my HTC EvO 3D... On The Now Network

Clipp 10-18-2011 11:29 AM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
Man, i can't wait for sprint to get their ish together and bring lte to market already. Their 3G speeds have been the same for years while other carriers amped up their 3G and introduced LTE as well. I hate you, WiMax.

fixxxer2012 10-20-2011 02:03 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
when LTE is launched on sprint...IF it is even launched in the first place you all will have to get new phones that support it. It will be an easy year or two before this happens.

gTen 10-21-2011 06:44 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
The upgrade people keep talking about is on Sprints end on converting wimax towers to LTE towers. That is just a firmware update. For the people, the answer is no it will not be able to run LTE. The current gen snapdragon processor does not support LTE, neither does the wimax antenna.

Back in the day the HTC Mogul had GPS locked and we knew it was there prior. There is no indication of an LTE capable chip in any of sprints phones.

eric12341 10-21-2011 08:28 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2151564)
The upgrade people keep talking about is on Sprints end on converting wimax towers to LTE towers. That is just a firmware update. For the people, the answer is no it will not be able to run LTE. The current gen snapdragon processor does not support LTE, neither does the wimax antenna.

Back in the day the HTC Mogul had GPS locked and we knew it was there prior. There is no indication of an LTE capable chip in any of sprints phones.

ooo is @gTen wrong about something? the thunderbolt has a snapdragon s2 I believe and it has LTE support.

gTen 10-21-2011 08:46 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2151590)
ooo is @gTen wrong about something? the thunderbolt has a snapdragon s2 I believe and it has LTE support.

The Thunderbolt has LTE yes, but its a separate radio, the snapdragon soc itself does not have LTE capabilities. If we saw a separate radio in the tear-down which had LTE capability we would know.

chong67 10-30-2011 08:10 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
Is LTE faster than 4G?

gTen 10-31-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chong67 (Post 2153267)
Is LTE faster than 4G?

LTE is 4g....its a competitive technology to wimax.

aedon 10-31-2011 11:05 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2153368)
LTE is 4g....its a competitive technology to wimax.

Yup, just a different flavour of it, but from what I understand its more efficient, correct?

gTen 11-01-2011 10:10 AM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by aedon (Post 2153465)
Yup, just a different flavour of it, but from what I understand its more efficient, correct?

umm..depends...wimax is more spectrum efficient. But wimax takes more battery life to sustain upload until wimax2. Though if sprint deploys LTE in a lower band it will have better signals.

aedon 11-01-2011 01:21 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2153520)
umm..depends...wimax is more spectrum efficient. But wimax takes more battery life to sustain upload until wimax2. Though if sprint deploys LTE in a lower band it will have better signals.

Better signals sure, but that doesnt mean it would be better quality will it?

gTen 11-01-2011 02:33 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by aedon (Post 2153556)
Better signals sure, but that doesnt mean it would be better quality will it?

Define quality? in terms of technologically wimax and lte are around the same, but again if you have it run in a lower frequency you get advantages. Also keep in mind that the implementation of wimax used by sprint is old too.

In 2013 sprint plans to roll out LTE-Advanced which is technologically on par with wimax 2.

eric12341 11-01-2011 06:26 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
I wonder how all of this compares to T-mobile's deployment of Dual-Cell HSPA+ and rumored deployment of multi-carrier HSPA+

gTen 11-01-2011 07:40 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2153595)
I wonder how all of this compares to T-mobile's deployment of Dual-Cell HSPA+ and rumored deployment of multi-carrier HSPA+

HSPA+ like all 3g standards are not very spectrum efficient. But as t-mobile has less users and data caps(in form of throttling after 5gb) it is less likely for it to be abused unless T-mobile suddenly gets a lot of users.

Otherwise speed on t-mobile is comparable.

And LTE-Advance and Wimax 2 as you can guess is beyond the limitations of HSPA+

eric12341 11-01-2011 08:15 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2153604)
HSPA+ like all 3g standards are not very spectrum efficient. But as t-mobile has less users and data caps(in form of throttling after 5gb) it is less likely for it to be abused unless T-mobile suddenly gets a lot of users.

Otherwise speed on t-mobile is comparable.

And LTE-Advance and Wimax 2 as you can guess is beyond the limitations of HSPA+

@gTen they're calling it 4G. There's also a 10GB option I saw it when I went in to speed test the HD7 and miraculously got an insane 21m down. That plan sounds nice but I won't get it unless I can come down on the minutes to make it cheaper.

gTen 11-01-2011 08:49 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2153606)
@gTen they're calling it 4G. There's also a 10GB option I saw it when I went in to speed test the HD7 and miraculously got an insane 21m down. That plan sounds nice but I won't get it unless I can come down on the minutes to make it cheaper.

They can call it whatever they want, HSPA+ is 3.5g... realistically speaking the official definition of 4g is 100mbps which even LTE and wimax can't reach(wimax 2 and lte-advanced can)

But when I say 4g personally I mean generation tech, aka LTE and Wimax are newer standards from the ground up. HSPA+ is like a rough hack at higher speeds. Don't get me wrong its very good but again it is not as spectrum efficient as LTE and wimax. That means speeds will go down if too much users hop on. Also HSPA+ has higher latency in comparison.

See LTE and Wimax can easily school HSPA+, the problem is the carriers are too cheap to implement it efficiently hence why HSPA+ is doing so well.

Think HSPA+ as CDMA Rev B of GSM.


As for minutes, depending on how good your signal is you can always use VOIP lol (even though carriers usually dont like ppl using it)

SDRebel 11-15-2011 11:16 PM

Re: Is the EVO 3D capable of using LTE Service?
 
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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2153609)
They can call it whatever they want, HSPA+ is 3.5g... realistically speaking the official definition of 4g is 100mbps which even LTE and wimax can't reach(wimax 2 and lte-advanced can)

think again
"Telstar, Nokia Siemens Demo 100 Mbps LTE at 75 Km"
Nortel had a similar Demo, in Germany, before it went down in pieces


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