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Stingray 02-06-2007 05:15 PM

What makes push mail better than non push mail?
 
Please don't flame me for this.... I am kinda new to the world of Windows Mobile... I have somehow managed to make push mail work on my 6700....
But I still have a question... What makes push mail better than non push mail? I hear that it drains less battery, but why? I think it should drain more battery since it always keeps a connection open with the exchange server?
I'm not even sure if I'm using the right terminology here...

JackSchitt28 02-06-2007 06:12 PM

Re: What makes push mail better than non push mail?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stingray
Please don't flame me for this.... I am kinda new to the world of Windows Mobile... I have somehow managed to make push mail work on my 6700....
But I still have a question... What makes push mail better than non push mail? I hear that it drains less battery, but why? I think it should drain more battery since it always keeps a connection open with the exchange server?
I'm not even sure if I'm using the right terminology here...

without push mail, it took me forever to recieve my comcast email through my ppc. with push, it is instant, i immediately recieve them. non push is horrible because it has to log into your email account, then it has to verify everything, then download the messages. takes a really long time IMO. push mail is a Godsend.

luv2chill 02-06-2007 06:18 PM

The battery thing is a grey area. I don't think anyone should tout push mail as a boon to battery life.

But plain and simple, push mail gets your new e-mails to your phone faster than if you check on a schedule. Say you've got two Pocket PCs set up to check your exchange account. One is set up with POP3 on a schedule to check every ten minutes. The other is set up for direct push.

So the one phone on a schedule checks for mail at 3:00pm and finds nothing. Ten seconds later a new urgent e-mail comes in from your boss/wife/bookie. The phone with push enabled will get that message by 3:01pm (most likely sooner), while the the other phone won't get it until 3:10pm when it does its next scheduled check. Those ten minutes might be what saves your job/marriage/life!

Heh. Well, 90% of the time it means you get your spam and buddy's joke forwards a little faster, but you never know when that crucial e-mail will come!

But for many of us, I think the allure in push is that it provides very seamless synchronization, not only of e-mail but also of contacts, calendar items, and to-do lists. To me anyway, that is the holy grail of convergence. I absolutely hate having to enter data twice or maintain two separate copies of things. For instance, POP3 e-mail accounts are the bane of my existence because you can't use multiple computers/devices to maintain that account without duplicating all of your replies, deletion, and organization. IMAP helps in that regard, but it's still nowhere near as smooth as exchange is.

Ideally you want to enter data once and then have changes to that data reflected as soon as possible on all devices that you use to access it. So in that way, Exchange push gets your data synced faster and more seamlessly than any other method.

And that's why you should want push as opposed to scheduled mail downloads, despite the battery hit. :)

schettj 02-06-2007 06:25 PM

Yep, above poster has it.

You get email as it comes it, not when you check it.

Personally, I go for checking every hour. I have two mailboxes, and I do have to get some work done - but other people are different (ie, email driven) due to work reqs. If you need it, chances are you have exchange @ work, and it will work.

Wideawake 02-06-2007 08:37 PM

If u haven't tried it go for it! ou won't regret it. I myself didn't know what it was awhile back, tried it, and I haven't looked back. Helps me keep in contact with PPCGeeks. :P

supadoggie 02-06-2007 10:29 PM

although I hate to say it but it's true.. Blackberries have set the standard for push emails.. you get your messages instantly instead of waiting for the scheduled check

I wish my work had an Exchange server instead of a BES.. I would love to use my 6700 for emails

technole 02-06-2007 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supadoggie
although I hate to say it but it's true.. Blackberries have set the standard for push emails.. you get your messages instantly instead of waiting for the scheduled check

I wish my work had an Exchange server instead of a BES.. I would love to use my 6700 for emails

Its nice to see clients and many businesses switch to MS Exchange Server.

avaya 02-07-2007 12:53 AM

We have exchange at my work but they didn't enable direct push so I have to use emoze for now. Can't wait to do it without emoze

mujurip 02-07-2007 01:14 AM

after reading this i really want to set up push mail. Is it possible to set this for hotmail/gmail/yahoo/SBC? (since those are the accts i use)?

If yes, then any special applicatrion is needed or the ppc has a built in feature.

Alwaysbelieve1 02-07-2007 02:04 AM

hotmail- don't believe so, but you can enable it to do retrieval from pocket msn.
gmail- yes and is free
yahoo- have to pay for the upgrade email plus program to enable POP3 forwarding with them. It's 19.95 a year
sbc-yes if they allow POP3

emozeoren 02-07-2007 03:17 AM

I've been following this thread.

Allow me to tell you a little more about emoze, our free push email solution for PDA's, Smartphones and POP3 devices.

We now support all popular email data sources including Lotus Notes and Domino Servers, Microsoft Exchange, Outlook and OWA (Outlook Web-Access), POP3, Gmail, Hotmail and Yahoo!, and all popular mobile device operating systems including Symbian and Windows Mobile.

Downloading and installing emoze is very easy and Intuitive.
We've just re-designed our website to make it even more efficient.

emoze is available as a free download HERE

If there are any specific questions about our service, please don't hesitate to ask!

rlith 02-07-2007 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supadoggie
although I hate to say it but it's true.. Blackberries have set the standard for push emails.. you get your messages instantly instead of waiting for the scheduled check

I wish my work had an Exchange server instead of a BES.. I would love to use my 6700 for emails

You can. If you have outlook or outlook express at the desktop, simply get emoze (it's free) and you will get true push email. (or if you have verizon you can use that as well)

supadoggie 02-07-2007 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mujurip
after reading this i really want to set up push mail. Is it possible to set this for hotmail/gmail/yahoo/SBC? (since those are the accts i use)?

If yes, then any special applicatrion is needed or the ppc has a built in feature.

you can sign up for a free mail2web exchange account and set one or more accounts to forward to your mail2web account..

naigaboy 02-07-2007 10:03 AM

As someone that had been using emoze for a while, i just switched to mail2web, and I can tell you that it is much better for push email. You dont have to have your computer running or outlook running to receive your email. Also, with mail2web any changes made to contacts, calendar or email is instantly synced. There is no extra software to download or install on the computer or pda as it is an exchange server, and if you have attachments that are too big or just simply want to check your mail on any computer, you can access mail2web with outlook web access, whereas you have to be at your computer to check that email or so if you were using emoze.
Point for emoze is that it is totally free, whereas if you want to use your original email address to reply you will have to upgrade to $1.99/month personal exchange and set up proxy address, (i personally, didnt mind the upgrade) otherwise when you send or reply emails it will say yourUserName@mail2web.com If you have any more questions you can search for the push email for 6700 thread. Wideawake started that thread.

supadoggie 02-07-2007 02:43 PM

the only thing with setting up hotmail/yahoo/gmail to forward to your mail2web account is that when you send emails it comes from your mail2web account..


You can try Verizon Wireless Sync (if you have Verizon) or emoze if you want "push" email with those free webmail accounts

naigaboy 02-07-2007 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supadoggie
the only thing with setting up hotmail/yahoo/gmail to forward to your mail2web account is that when you send emails it comes from your mail2web account..


You can try Verizon Wireless Sync (if you have Verizon) or emoze if you want "push" email with those free webmail accounts

Ok. I kind of covered that in my previous post. You can change your reply from address by setting up proxy addresses in web2mail. You just have to upgrade to the $1.99/month personal exhange mail. Its very well worth the price.

londonsixx 02-08-2007 04:15 PM

Hotmail is not supported by emoze. At least when I go to the website and select other then try to download it says other is not supported. Hotmail is not an option to select. Any help. Thanks.

naigaboy 02-08-2007 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by londonsixx
Hotmail is not supported by emoze. At least when I go to the website and select other then try to download it says other is not supported. Hotmail is not an option to select. Any help. Thanks.

The only thing I can suggest is for you to try windows live messenger. click on this thread to learn a little and also download it for trial.
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/for-those-wh...ger-t2662.html

Wargazm 02-08-2007 05:00 PM

I tried using emoze, and I really liked it, but unfortunately it didn't grab all of my calendar appointments from my Lotus notes calendar. Email was no problem, but I have to have my calendar accurate.

Has anyone else experienced this problem? I'd love to use emoze, but I'd have to get a fix for this issue first.

naigaboy 02-08-2007 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wargazm
I tried using emoze, and I really liked it, but unfortunately it didn't grab all of my calendar appointments from my Lotus notes calendar. Email was no problem, but I have to have my calendar accurate.

Has anyone else experienced this problem? I'd love to use emoze, but I'd have to get a fix for this issue first.

I did and kept on getting duplicate calendar events too. Another reason why I switched to mail2web, gone are those days. I used emoze for about 3-4 months too and was pretty happy till i decided to check on mail2web and I will never be going back.

Wargazm 02-08-2007 06:28 PM

does Mail2web work with Lotus Notes?

TechMan 02-09-2007 01:17 PM

I would kind of say the opposite when it comes to push and battery. I receive a number of emails through out the day and my phone is almost in constant sync because of it. It is not uncommon for me to kill a fully charged battery within 3-4 hours. Unfortunately, my email is high priority because of my position. I cannot afford to do a scheduled sync, but you may consider it if you have a number of messages and it is not major that you receive them real time.


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