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orangekid 07-03-2012 01:15 PM

Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Nokia's Windows Phone 8 Fallback Plan Is Google's Android | Redmond Pie


interesting read, I wouldn't be surprised if they made the move.

We'll just have to see how WP8 pans out. I hope it is successful because it will keep Android competitive, but it had better do better than WP7 fared.

eric12341 07-03-2012 01:54 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
WP8 will do very well, not all the features are announced, it's based off the NT kernel which has almost endless possibilities and all the carriers are excited about it (Sprint?). You can expect the carriers to push it as well as there being a wide selection to choose from.

orangekid 07-03-2012 03:45 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2182553)
WP8 will do very well, not all the features are announced, it's based off the NT kernel which has almost endless possibilities and all the carriers are excited about it (Sprint?). You can expect the carriers to push it as well as there being a wide selection to choose from.


Well they said that about WP7 and look what happened...

I do think WP8 will be better than WP7 was though, that's for sure, and I hope you're right about it being successful, but ultimately, it will be the consumers who decide what is successful

Dr.8820 07-03-2012 06:51 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
You might want to revisit that article OP, it's not correct and has been updated.

orangekid 07-03-2012 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2182568)
You might want to revisit that article OP, it's not correct and has been updated.

I'll take a look.

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orangekid 07-03-2012 10:09 PM

Ya I saw that . Even more confusing because it said it was half true or something . Either way I do hope wp8 does a lot better than wp7. Thanks for the heads up doc

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schettj 07-05-2012 09:05 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
No way in hell... Nokia would rather burn itself down than use Android. They had TWO better linux based OSes already (Meego and Meltemi) that they're not using :)

EyeB 07-05-2012 10:20 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
nokia should just sell phones with unlocked bootloader... install WP8 as default but let users be able to install android if they feel like it without any hassle. Don't like WP8? Have a download on Nokia's site that installs their version of android...

I do like the nokia phone's design/hardware... It's just I have bought into WP yet

orangekid 07-06-2012 09:37 AM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by schettj (Post 2182721)
No way in hell... Nokia would rather burn itself down than use Android. They had TWO better linux based OSes already (Meego and Meltemi) that they're not using :)

Why aren't they using those two better operating systems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by EyeB (Post 2182723)
nokia should just sell phones with unlocked bootloader... install WP8 as default but let users be able to install android if they feel like it without any hassle. Don't like WP8? Have a download on Nokia's site that installs their version of android...

I do like the nokia phone's design/hardware... It's just I have bought into WP yet

That's actually a great idea

schettj 07-06-2012 09:45 AM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 2182752)
Why aren't they using those two better operating systems?

Because no one will develop apps for them.

Nokia is still working through the denial that it used to be the top handset maker. Once it downsizes to about HTC size, it will be fine. It's getting there.

It's unfortunate that they were SO SLOW to get the WP7.x phones out (these were a "done deal" in august of 2011, when I left Nokia, but in typical Nokia fashion it took them another 6 months to squeeze them out.) Had they released them in the summer of 2011, everyone would have had 18 months before WP8 phones came out, and no one would be *that* upset. Hell, apple does this by design.

So, yeah, TWO reboots of the winphone market, and poor Nokia jumps in just before the second one. Keep in mind all Nokia did was take a non-selling symbian phone and turn it into a non-selling WP7.5 phone, so from their perspective it wasn't much of a loss.

orangekid 07-06-2012 10:45 AM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by schettj (Post 2182753)
Because no one will develop apps for them.

Nokia is still working through the denial that it used to be the top handset maker. Once it downsizes to about HTC size, it will be fine. It's getting there.

It's unfortunate that they were SO SLOW to get the WP7.x phones out (these were a "done deal" in august of 2011, when I left Nokia, but in typical Nokia fashion it took them another 6 months to squeeze them out.) Had they released them in the summer of 2011, everyone would have had 18 months before WP8 phones came out, and no one would be *that* upset. Hell, apple does this by design.

So, yeah, TWO reboots of the winphone market, and poor Nokia jumps in just before the second one. Keep in mind all Nokia did was take a non-selling symbian phone and turn it into a non-selling WP7.5 phone, so from their perspective it wasn't much of a loss.

Well I hope for their sake that WP8 does better than WP7, because I actually like Nokia's phones as far as build quality (like the Lumia900 for instance)

alphaxi3 07-15-2012 10:22 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
This will be WP's year. Bank on it.

orangekid 07-15-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphaxi3 (Post 2183360)
This will be WP's year. Bank on it.

We shall see

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boredandtattooed 07-16-2012 12:00 AM

Nokia alone can't/isn't gonna save Windows Phone... Especially since they just ripped off customers with their first great(assumption) Devices-Lumia's.. - I consider putting out phones like that, then making it obsolete the next day basically when WP8 made its no phone will be upgradeable announcement...

If Nokia wants any luck in the US, and at this point its looking like save their legacy, their gonna need something with android if not sooner than later..

IMO

eric12341 07-16-2012 06:33 AM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed (Post 2183369)
Nokia alone can't/isn't gonna save Windows Phone... Especially since they just ripped off customers with their first great(assumption) Devices-Lumia's.. - I consider putting out phones like that, then making it obsolete the next day basically when WP8 made its no phone will be upgradeable announcement...

If Nokia wants any luck in the US, and at this point its looking like save their legacy, their gonna need something with android if not sooner than later..

IMO

@boredandtattooed so many fallacies in this post. Nobody was ripped off since most who purchased the Lumia 900 got it for free or very low prices, also the price of the 900 recently dropped to $50. The general public also doesn't seem to care if they can't get updated to WP8 because both the lumias were still in the top 5 sales after that announcement.

schettj 07-16-2012 09:44 AM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed (Post 2183369)
If Nokia wants any luck in the US, and at this point its looking like save their legacy, their gonna need something with android if not sooner than later..

And I guarantee you they will never, ever, use android.

CE-Oh no he didn't!: Anssi Vanjoki says using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth -- Engadget

Believe me, this isn't just one guy's feeling about android, at Nokia.

EyeB 07-16-2012 01:28 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
I'm suprised that no one's ported android over to the lumia... not that I have much say in it since I dont know how or where to begin to learn lol

Seems like aside from the touch pro 2 and the newest hp touchpad, I just don't see android being ported onto non android devices.

I mean just because nokia doesn't want android, doesn't mean someone wont figure out how to get it there if they wanted.

austin420 07-16-2012 07:20 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2183382)
Nobody was ripped off since most who purchased the Lumia 900 got it for free or very low prices, also the price of the 900 recently dropped to $50. The general public also doesn't seem to care if they can't get updated to WP8 because both the lumias were still in the top 5 sales after that announcement.

it doesnt matter what the price of the phone is. your paying for it via your 2 year or more contract. your paying for it by missing the opportunity to have a current and decent and upgradeable phone. you seem to forget the hiddwn costs. its not just the initial 50 or 100 dollars you put down.
also, people may not seem to care, but as long as big news sites like cnet keep putting these out, Lumia 900 still a raw deal despite heavy discount | Mobile - CNET News people will care. they will see this article after theyve already bought the phone and feel jaded by nokia and windowz phone and maybe consider not buying one again.

orangekid 07-16-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austin420 (Post 2183412)
it doesnt matter what the price of the phone is. your paying for it via your 2 year or more contract. your paying for it by missing the opportunity to have a current and decent and upgradeable phone. you seem to forget the hiddwn costs. its not just the initial 50 or 100 dollars you put down.
also, people may not seem to care, but as long as big news sites like cnet keep putting these out, Lumia 900 still a raw deal despite heavy discount | Mobile - CNET News people will care. they will see this article after theyve already bought the phone and feel jaded by nokia and windowz phone and maybe consider not buying one again.

Agreed 100%

I'm done beta testing MS phones...

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boredandtattooed 07-16-2012 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austin420 (Post 2183412)
it doesnt matter what the price of the phone is. your paying for it via your 2 year or more contract. your paying for it by missing the opportunity to have a current and decent and upgradeable phone. you seem to forget the hiddwn costs. its not just the initial 50 or 100 dollars you put down.
also, people may not seem to care, but as long as big news sites like cnet keep putting these out, Lumia 900 still a raw deal despite heavy discount | Mobile - CNET News people will care. they will see this article after theyve already bought the phone and feel jaded by nokia and windowz phone and maybe consider not buying one again.

This is what I meant....

And @ Eric, top 5 devices ? Out of what 5 phones? There's very few Current WPs to choose from, let alone high end.... It took WP like 18months to come out with a great phone(assuming WP is capable of greatness at its early age)

eric12341 07-17-2012 02:58 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EyeB (Post 2183404)
I'm suprised that no one's ported android over to the lumia... not that I have much say in it since I dont know how or where to begin to learn lol

Seems like aside from the touch pro 2 and the newest hp touchpad, I just don't see android being ported onto non android devices.

I mean just because nokia doesn't want android, doesn't mean someone wont figure out how to get it there if they wanted.

Yea but who in their right mind would do it? Especially considering the 99999999999999999999999 Android devices out there, and besides it would only run it like the MT4G runs it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by austin420 (Post 2183412)
it doesnt matter what the price of the phone is. your paying for it via your 2 year or more contract. your paying for it by missing the opportunity to have a current and decent and upgradeable phone. you seem to forget the hiddwn costs. its not just the initial 50 or 100 dollars you put down.
also, people may not seem to care, but as long as big news sites like cnet keep putting these out, Lumia 900 still a raw deal despite heavy discount | Mobile - CNET News people will care. they will see this article after theyve already bought the phone and feel jaded by nokia and windowz phone and maybe consider not buying one again.

If people want a better phone they will pay up for it, just like what the iPhone 4 users did for the 4S and just like what the 3GS users did for the 4 just for siri
Quote:

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed (Post 2183419)
This is what I meant....

And @ Eric, top 5 devices ? Out of what 5 phones? There's very few Current WPs to choose from, let alone high end.... It took WP like 18months to come out with a great phone(assuming WP is capable of greatness at its early age)

Guess I have to provide some articles, here we go:

T-Mobile pleased with Windows Phone, sees a climb in sales and a bright future | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

T-Mobile Blog

orangekid 07-17-2012 04:11 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2183463)
Yea but who in their right mind would do it? Especially considering the 99999999999999999999999 Android devices out there, and besides it would only run it like the MT4G runs it.


If people want a better phone they will pay up for it, just like what the iPhone 4 users did for the 4S and just like what the 3GS users did for the 4 just for siri


Guess I have to provide some articles, here we go:

T-Mobile pleased with Windows Phone, sees a climb in sales and a bright future | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

T-Mobile Blog


Both of those articles are the same thing with the same source..

And they don't give any numbers "more that doubled' so they sold 10 instead of 4?

same with their percentage, wow 55% percent of upgrades came from feature phone people? How many of Android upgrades come from feature phone people? Is this even significant?

55% of the 10 phones they sold means 5.5 people who never had a smartphone before were dumb enough to get a lumia710. Because it is FREE I am willing to bet. I've used a Lumia710, that phone sucks. '


And guaranteed people buying this phone don't realize it is going to be obsolete very soon, which is a big problem.

austin420 07-17-2012 06:45 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
i prefer a real, unbiased news source. who would guess that "tmo news" and "wpcentral" would be slanted towards tmobile and wp?

eric12341 07-17-2012 10:22 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by austin420 (Post 2183469)
i prefer a real, unbiased news source. who would guess that "tmo news" and "wpcentral" would be slanted towards tmobile and wp?

The second link was there to prevent ignorant posts like this. That's from T-mobile themselves.

austin420 07-17-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2183481)
The second link was there to prevent ignorant posts like this. That's from T-mobile themselves.

Please don't call my post ignorant. I disagree with you, so we discuss things. Thats how it works. If you don't like the discussion, don't post .
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eric12341 07-17-2012 10:48 PM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 2183465)
Both of those articles are the same thing with the same source..

And they don't give any numbers "more that doubled' so they sold 10 instead of 4?

same with their percentage, wow 55% percent of upgrades came from feature phone people? How many of Android upgrades come from feature phone people? Is this even significant?

55% of the 10 phones they sold means 5.5 people who never had a smartphone before were dumb enough to get a lumia710. Because it is FREE I am willing to bet. I've used a Lumia710, that phone sucks. '


And guaranteed people buying this phone don't realize it is going to be obsolete very soon, which is a big problem.

If this phone "sucked" (I'll even admit it's not for me ) it wouldn't have almost a perfect rating on the reviews section

Lumia 710 Phone | Nokia Windows Cell Phone | Mango OS | T-Mobile

And that's over 200 reviews,same amount as the SGSII and you can bet that it runs better than any cheap or free android they're offering.
Quote:

Originally Posted by austin420 (Post 2183482)
Please don't call my post ignorant. I disagree with you, so we discuss things. Thats how it works. If you don't like the discussion, don't post .
Reported for breaking rule number 4, and the Golden rule.

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I didn't break any rules because I wasn't calling you ignorant.

orangekid 07-17-2012 11:13 PM

Well I mean these aren't people coming from android or iOS. Any smartphone is going to seem good to them...

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austin420 07-17-2012 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2183484)

I didn't break any rules because I wasn't calling you ignorant.

Apparently you've never read rule 2, as it says nothing about name calling.
On topic, I agree with orangekid. :b

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eric12341 07-18-2012 01:31 AM

Re: Nokia to have Android as "backup plan" to WP8 failure.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 2183485)
Well I mean these aren't people coming from android or iOS. Any smartphone is going to seem good to them...

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It's obvious you haven't read any of the reviews. Shame that you've chosen to use the bash hammer now, you used to defend the OS back in 2010/early 2011.


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