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jerryyyyy 07-19-2010 10:43 PM

Windows Phone 7 Detailed Review: Should I just Go Android Now?
 
Paul Thurrott does the TWIT Windows Weekly podcast and know more about Windows than most has produced a quick detailed review:

http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_handson.asp

I have to say that reading this review about the poor integration of Office and the need to run Zune on my PC makes me want to drop Windows Mobile sooner rather than later and learn to love Android.

I am very familiar with Windows IDs and their version of the Cloud, and this is what they are pushing, but it pales in comparison to Google's and if I can't get basic compatibility with Office, why bother. I don't think I'll stick with Windows Mobile 6.5 for very long without anything on the horizon....

Miami_Son 07-19-2010 11:07 PM

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Looks like a very positive review: "On that note, virtually everything I've learned about this platform over time has only increased that excitement, culminating, perhaps, in my secretive first hands-on experiences with prototype devices back in May."

"And I'm here to tell you that Windows Phone isn't just competitive. It's better. It's more innovative than anything from those other companies, and people will be shocked by how good the big picture stuff is on these devices."

Not sure why you feel so negative about it.

darren.wlsn1 07-19-2010 11:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Miami_Son (Post 1874448)
Looks like a very positive review: "On that note, virtually everything I've learned about this platform over time has only increased that excitement, culminating, perhaps, in my secretive first hands-on experiences with prototype devices back in May."

"And I'm here to tell you that Windows Phone isn't just competitive. It's better. It's more innovative than anything from those other companies, and people will be shocked by how good the big picture stuff is on these devices."

Not sure why you feel so negative about it.

thanx and well put sir.

fishingmedic 07-19-2010 11:17 PM

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Not to mention that most of what I've read about it is saying it's still being tweaked and modified prior to release, so it should be even better. Is everything on it going to be the greatest?? No, not a chance, but show me an OS that has no drawbacks. If you want to jump ship to android, no ones gonna stop you, and you may be happier doing that. I for one will give WP7 a shot and see what it holds, because for right now, no one is sure and at least by giving it a shot I'll know myself which is better for me.

darren.wlsn1 07-20-2010 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fishingmedic (Post 1874462)
Not to mention that most of what I've read about it is saying it's still being tweaked and modified prior to release, so it should be even better. Is everything on it going to be the greatest?? No, not a chance, but show me an OS that has no drawbacks. If you want to jump ship to android, no ones gonna stop you, and you may be happier doing that. I for one will give WP7 a shot and see what it holds, because for right now, no one is sure and at least by giving it a shot I'll know myself which is better for me.

ok, your post is even better than other users i thanked.

Miami_Son 07-20-2010 12:34 AM

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I didn't know it was a contest.:wink:

Mr.KLeen 07-20-2010 12:49 AM

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wp7 fo life

Daikazetatsu 07-20-2010 01:00 AM

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After reading this article and watching the included video, WP7 looks great to me. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/windows-phone-7-in-depth-preview/

sprinttouch666 07-20-2010 05:44 AM

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I'm surprised at how good the reviews sound! i figured after bashing winmo for years and the kin fiasco WP7 wouldn't be so glorified. But, froyo on my TP2 if fun :)

Hard decision, I'm gunna stay winmo until winter. If WP7 has tons of good apps, killer phones, and a decent sized hacking community it my kill Android. And what the hell is up with Gingerbread???? lol being patient sucks :confused2:

oldpueblo 07-20-2010 07:19 AM

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Don't get me wrong I understand the market MS wants to go after, but I could care less about pictures and social networking sites. I use my phone for business mostly and I hope it won't be hard to "get that stuff outta my face." :p

TripleAgent 07-20-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1874780)
Don't get me wrong I understand the market MS wants to go after, but I could care less about pictures and social networking sites. I use my phone for business mostly and I hope it won't be hard to "get that stuff outta my face." :p

Yeah, pretty much my sentiment. Office looks lame, they have zero plans to offer anything with a keyboard, and I don't want to use their software to transfer files, especially since I know I won't buy anything from it. I'm going to Android as soon as the Epic releases. I've kinda promised myself to give WP7 a shot, but it doesn't sound like what I want: WM 6.5 done well without gestapo interface and DRM restrictions and intrusive software. Android (rooted most likely) seems like the far and away choice for power users.

aiiee 07-20-2010 09:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1874780)
Don't get me wrong I understand the market MS wants to go after, but I could care less about pictures and social networking sites. I use my phone for business mostly and I hope it won't be hard to "get that stuff outta my face." :p

It may be zippy, but if it doesn't have the functionality I want, I am perfectly happy to stay with my CHT / Mr. X powered little old lady of a phone.

dayznfuz 07-20-2010 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleAgent (Post 1874847)
Yeah, pretty much my sentiment. Office looks lame, they have zero plans to offer anything with a keyboard, and I don't want to use their software to transfer files, especially since I know I won't buy anything from it. I'm going to Android as soon as the Epic releases. I've kinda promised myself to give WP7 a shot, but it doesn't sound like what I want: WM 6.5 done well without gestapo interface and DRM restrictions and intrusive software. Android (rooted most likely) seems like the far and away choice for power users.

What do you mean? The keyboard slider is one of the form factors that WP 7 allows.

The interface doesn't bother me too much. I still haven't read anywhere about how rigid they are with the tiles. If they can be skinned (ie their photo gallery tile or the xbox tile), that opens up a lot of possibilities for customizaiton.

Anyway, I'm also on the fence about WP7, but more because of the walled garden concept. But, I'm willing to wait and see how "walled" it really is. If MS decideds to go all gestapo on rooted phones ala Apple, I'll pass. If this is a walled garden in name only, I'll probably bite.

TripleAgent 07-20-2010 09:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dayznfuz (Post 1874862)
What do you mean? The keyboard slider is one of the form factors that WP 7 allows.

The interface doesn't bother me too much. I still haven't read anywhere about how rigid they are with the tiles. If they can be skinned (ie their photo gallery tile or the xbox tile), that opens up a lot of possibilities for customizaiton.

Anyway, I'm also on the fence about WP7, but more because of the walled garden concept. But, I'm willing to wait and see how "walled" it really is. If MS decideds to go all gestapo on rooted phones ala Apple, I'll pass. If this is a walled garden in name only, I'll probably bite.

Maybe I'm on old info, I read somewhere they have no support/plans for hardware keyboards in the spec. Also, I don't care how much they promise, thanks to Android, I don't have to give up copy/paste, multitasking and other things, even if they "will eventually be added". That sounds like doubletalk for "maybe if we feel like it". I feel like their thought process was totally wrong on designing this. It's like they want to be Apple so bad, they dumped the best parts of what they already had.

aiiee 07-20-2010 09:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleAgent (Post 1874866)
It's like they want to be Apple so bad, they dumped the best parts of what they already had.

I would expect nothing better from Microsoft, the company that survives by copying other's successes, then trying to kill them in the marketplace. :sad:

aximtreo 07-20-2010 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryyyyy (Post 1874427)
Paul Thurrott does the TWIT Windows Weekly podcast and know more about Windows than most has produced a quick detailed review:

http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_handson.asp

I have to say that reading this review about the poor integration of Office and the need to run Zune on my PC makes me want to drop Windows Mobile sooner rather than later and learn to love Android.

I am very familiar with Windows IDs and their version of the Cloud, and this is what they are pushing, but it pales in comparison to Google's and if I can't get basic compatibility with Office, why bother. I don't think I'll stick with Windows Mobile 6.5 for very long without anything on the horizon....

I haven't read the article nor the rest of this thread but had to comment on your comment regarding WM7 integration of Office made me laugh. I've been on Droid since last November and if you want poor Office integration, try Android. I can't sync Outlook without having to go through transferring all calendars or contacts into Google and then have it sync with my Droid. That means that all my data is on the google cloud server; potential security risk there. The other way is to buy a third party program costing upwards of $40 and it doesn't do a very good sync job at all. Did I mention that you also have to have a program other than Mobile Office to use Word, Excel or PP.

So becareful of what you wish for. I'm sticking with my Droid until I see what MS offers in the WM7 but you can bet that whatever it is will be a more easy and seamless approach when using other MS programs which millions of us do and have done for years. Comfort factor will become a major selling point in the next few months.=;

jerryyyyy 07-20-2010 10:38 AM

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I have to admit I have not tried Andoid, and I understand its limitations. What I want is a simple way to move contacts, appointments and podcasts (music) back and forth between phone and PC. AS and and WMP are a nightmare, but one in which I have been stuck for years due to my work environment.

Reading between the lines, what I think MS is going to do is try to force you to use their Mesh/live Sync/Sky Drive:

http://www.winsupersite.com/live/sync.asp

If you have used their sky applications, which I have, you will see the continuing evolution of procedures, standards and application so you have little idea of what is going on.

This is not what I want... you hate Android... try MSs version. I do not want my stuff up in the cloud somewhere in the hands of Google or MS. But if this is the new way to synch contacts, I am going to buy 7 TP2s and keep them for a decade even if I have to use AS.

BTW, just think of any personal notes you have in the notes fields of your Outlook contacts....

Frustrated and Ranting in California.

aiiee 07-20-2010 11:16 AM

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As far as WinMo, it doesn't get any easier than MyPhone to sync everything up.

orangekid 07-20-2010 11:18 AM

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Moved to General Winpho7 forum

DavidinCT 07-21-2010 11:12 PM

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I also thought the review was pretty postitive.... I hope Microsoft does not forget us users who want some nice features and what we expect on Windows Mobile.

I just hate the fact that there is no file system. I love to use my phone to backup files and move them from Machine to machine, if needed. Also RDC for machine management.

SKS06460 07-28-2010 08:15 PM

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I don't understand. From everything I've read, Windows Phone 7 is different from WM6.5. So much so, that it is essentially a completely new OS. If I have to migrate to a new OS, than why bother with this instead of going with PALM's new OS or even Android.
I don't want to have to migrate all my files and information, particularly my calendar into a new OS.

timezone 07-31-2010 12:18 PM

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Microsoft may have wanted to take over the desktop but Google wants to take over the world. Move to Android and you are supporting the advancement of everything becoming Google except for maybe Pepsi. Not to mention you are supporting an Ad based environment that requires Google to know everything about you. Give MS a chance. This first iteration may miss the mark a bit but they will get there.

brownhornet 08-02-2010 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timezone (Post 1891584)
Microsoft may have wanted to take over the desktop but Google wants to take over the world. Move to Android and you are supporting the advancement of everything becoming Google except for maybe Pepsi. Not to mention you are supporting an Ad based environment that requires Google to know everything about you. Give MS a chance. This first iteration may miss the mark a bit but they will get there.

From what I see.. you're also supporting a better, and OPEN source OS. And if you think google are the only people that know everything about you.. then I feel sorry for you.

jfoster38122 08-08-2010 08:12 AM

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I admit I am an Android fan. With all the viruses MS has to face are there any plans to combat that? I have not seen anything yet to make me wanna jump ship. I love my big screened EVO

gTen 08-08-2010 09:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfoster38122 (Post 1903456)
I admit I am an Android fan. With all the viruses MS has to face are there any plans to combat that? I have not seen anything yet to make me wanna jump ship. I love my big screened EVO

What?!?!....I think you are misunderstanding...there is not many viruses if any for phone OS yet....

That said..there is a little misunderstanding...the main reason why windows has so many viruses is because of the fact that it has so many users..so if you are making a virus..you would usually target the largest possible audience....in retro spec Mac and even Linux may have just as many security holes...they are just not found as the OS are used less frequently...of course linux may be a bit more secure due to its open source nature...

On the original topic..there is really no reason not to choose Android over WP7....by common trends new OS are always faulty and have lots of bugs with little QC and lack of features...WP7 may be worth looking at a year from now...but as it stands its a new OS....Android on the other hand has started to reach maturity.

orangekid 08-16-2010 06:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1903991)
What?!?!....I think you are misunderstanding...there is not many viruses if any for phone OS yet....

That said..there is a little misunderstanding...the main reason why windows has so many viruses is because of the fact that it has so many users..so if you are making a virus..you would usually target the largest possible audience....in retro spec Mac and even Linux may have just as many security holes...they are just not found as the OS are used less frequently...of course linux may be a bit more secure due to its open source nature...

On the original topic..there is really no reason not to choose Android over WP7....by common trends new OS are always faulty and have lots of bugs with little QC and lack of features...WP7 may be worth looking at a year from now...but as it stands its a new OS....Android on the other hand has started to reach maturity.

I do love Android, but the thought of a brand spanking new OS is pretty enticing, I'll basically have an Android Phone and a winpho7 phone, once they port Android to Winpho7 phones (a la my HD2) then I may go back to one phone.

With my HD2 getting amazing benchmarks on Froyo (5000+ on quadrant) I would actually much rather have this dual-boot phone over an Evo, although admittedly I'll take a Galaxy S over this set up.

gTen 08-16-2010 07:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1914069)
I do love Android, but the thought of a brand spanking new OS is pretty enticing, I'll basically have an Android Phone and a winpho7 phone, once they port Android to Winpho7 phones (a la my HD2) then I may go back to one phone.

With my HD2 getting amazing benchmarks on Froyo (5000+ on quadrant) I would actually much rather have this dual-boot phone over an Evo, although admittedly I'll take a Galaxy S over this set up.

A new OS can be fun to try but if your gonna put up 500$ for a device you at least want some maturity..I mean was Android really worth it at 1.0? (and I dont mean 1.5 or 1.6 I mean 1.0...)..other concern could be with a tight deadline M$ may not QC everything well as well...

Though how did you get 5000 quadrant on the HD2? can I see a screenshot? that doesn't sound right :/

CozBoogie 08-18-2010 02:10 PM

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I can see the mobile OS market boiling down to the big movers and shakers: iOS, Android, and WP7.

iOS has proven itself whether you are a fan or not...same with Android. While WP7 may still share some DNA with old WM OS, it's gonna be totally new and with that there will be some backlash...as with anything new.

Will I get a first generation WP7 device? No....never buy the first generation of anything...that includes, but is not limited to Ford Pintos, iPhones, water beds, shotguns, Sony laptop batteries, and airplanes.

Regardless of the success or lack of success of WP7 it's new and it hopefully pushes iOS and Android (and others) to not rest on their current offerings. It's through this competition that new ideas are hatched and new products are born.

I wouldn't want to be restricted to one or two operating systems that are happy to just "get by"....nomesayin'?

late,
Coz

gTen 08-18-2010 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CozBoogie (Post 1916193)
I can see the mobile OS market boiling down to the big movers and shakers: iOS, Android, and WP7.

Have you forgotten about webOs by HP...and in 2011 MeeGo(probably will be the biggest Android competitor for open source) will come out backed by Intel and Nokia.


I see 2011 as a war zone where only the fittest will survive >.>

CozBoogie 08-18-2010 05:42 PM

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Haven't forgotten about WebOS at all (am a Palm Pre owner myself)....however I fear that HP may forget about WebOS.

IMHO, WebOS is the best mobile OS on the street today. Palm failed at marketing it better and the hopes of seeing a new handset running WebOS seem to be fading.

As far as MeeGo goes, I don't see it worming it's way into the U.S. market...but that's just me.

late,
Coz

gTen 08-18-2010 05:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CozBoogie (Post 1916427)
Haven't forgotten about WebOS at all (am a Palm Pre owner myself)....however I fear that HP may forget about WebOS.

IMHO, WebOS is the best mobile OS on the street today. Palm failed at marketing it better and the hopes of seeing a new handset running WebOS seem to be fading.

As far as MeeGo goes, I don't see it worming it's way into the U.S. market...but that's just me.

late,
Coz

Well as far as HP sounds like they are trying to use it in tablets and the like..even printers lol..but there was a leak for verizon saying about a palm pre 2 this October or November...

As for MeeGo..don't count it out yet..while Nokia isn't exactly big in the US market..Intel is...I can easily see Intel get a lot of hardware manufacturers on board with MeeGo...

Not to mention Intel got Asus and Acer on who promised MeeGo based netbooks and Tablers...with intel having a monopoly on the netbook market they could introduce the OS in that way to the consumers...

Also MeeGo is made for both x86 and ARM...if they can get the x86 Moorsetown project to achieve the ARM efficiency on cellphones(and it seems like they are getting close) we would be able to run any linux based software..thus getting huge developer support.

PropagandaX 09-02-2010 01:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CozBoogie (Post 1916427)
Haven't forgotten about WebOS at all (am a Palm Pre owner myself)....however I fear that HP may forget about WebOS.

IMHO, WebOS is the best mobile OS on the street today. Palm failed at marketing it better and the hopes of seeing a new handset running WebOS seem to be fading.

As far as MeeGo goes, I don't see it worming it's way into the U.S. market...but that's just me.

late,
Coz

I kind of agree on WebOS, I was really excited at the concept but the devices they impliemented on are just horrible quality, dont see how anybody can use that crappy little keyboard and little weeny screen, lol.


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