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perhaps.


Either way it will be interesting to see what they come out with and I will probably get one just to play with it, along with the Evo (or similar Android that comes out at that time).

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exactly...the wing was my 1st winmo cell & it was a easy switch but im the type of person to research products & actually read the manual. It wasnt the fastest cell but it did all what I needed to. I got my tp2 & it made the experience better. I was looking forward to hd2 type and better specs to make it even better but now we have top notch hardware with a slacking os. ](*,):angry7::protest:disgust

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Not a VB coder lol... I code all C's (C#, C/C++) and honestly, are you gonna go write a driver for the phone?

I understand the wants to use native api's but the fact remains, 95% of the apps that will be written don't require native code and the other 4 of the other 5% can work around the need. The only thing I can think of that native code would be requires is something that needs system level access that MS didn't expose a managed api for (right now sockets and intercepting video/sound/phone streams area all i can really think of).

And .NET is alot more than pinvokes, if you think that then you're far lost into what .NET can do. Granted, .NET CF is a subset of the true .NET framework, but a majority of the primary functionality is there with exception to the desktop specifics and features MS didn't seem to be neccesary or wanted to block the use of.

In fact, I am so confident that I can devise an alternate development plan for anyone who thinks they need native code access, just post what you want to do, I challenge you. As long as it isn't something MS is fully blocking, give me an app that you think will 100% need native code and I'll come up with a work around.

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It is a really big deal from a user standpoint. Not everything is in the Marketplace, it isn't that hard to find great applications thanks to great sites such as this one. Wasting storage on CAB files? Are you joking? They take up a few kb each. You're truly creating a dilemma where there was none. I've gotten almost nothing from the Marketplace. I usually see it as a waste of time since I can get more useful applications for free. I don't want an apple App Store. I can tell you I find what I'm looking for much quicker by googling or checking a few sites. You know that you have to register to use Marketplace, right?

This along with the other downsides are why a large group, myself included, will be leaving to Android. Then maybe M$ will listen to the base that has been supporting them this entire time. Unless they make a professional version that gives us back multitasking (which isn't the new iphone going to do?) along with all the other features. Without them, the phone loses it's business appeal.

Why is the iPhone so popular? I'll give you the reason since you seem to be out of touch. Marketing! That's right. Same way that the iPod is more popular than a Zune. MSFT isn't grabbing any of the iphone's market because the iphone is the status symbol and MSFT is for geeks. So to sum it up, if people wanted an iPhone, they would have bought an iPhone. And the iPhone does not function well as a phone. The call quality is terrible compared to my HTC phone. Can add features, but don't break what was already there and the original reason people purchased the product.

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having owned winmo, android, and an iphone I can tell you that the iphone call quality is just as good as an HTC phone. I much prefer the app store/cydia/rock over having to google cabs all the time. But winmo does have UI customizations (6.5) that I love, even more so than android.

The Iphone has apps as the main plus over both android and winmo. what they hell are they doing with winpho7? taking away the UI customizations, trying to be like an iphone/android. I can respect adapting to the competition, but not with something they already have over you. Of course, flash may never come to Iphone so that's a plus for the other two.

I will get a winpho7 just for the novelty and curiosity, but I am telling you android looks soo much sweeter and iphone OS 4.0 on the 4G is starting to look better than winpho7 right now.

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Well, not to burst your bubble, but yes. Where I work we make ruggedized PDA's. I download the AKU's, spin the OS, write drivers, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with you that .NET CF has come a long way and can do a lot of things, but it can't do it all and it NEVER will. You should ALWAYS use the right tool for the job. When you take the evangelistic stand, you lose sight of that. Remember, there are no absolutes, so NEVER and ALWAYS should not be a part of your vocabulary. :^)

sbl

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Well, many disagree. Myself included, having used a iphone. Perhaps it's just the crap network it's on, but HTCs definitely have much better voice call quality. Not to mention a battery I can easily swap. And when WinMo, Android, BB, Symbian, even WebOS are enjoying full flash, the trendy iphone becomes even less appealing.

You may prefer to have to pay for apps in a store, I find what I'm looking for much more quickly with google, just looking through the forums, or checking freeware sites. Doesn't mean that my option should be taken away. Have yet to see the advantage of any iphone app over any winmo or android app.

If your talking 4G, it's the EVO. Can't go iphone 2G, 3G, 3GS, then change to describe the phone generation instead of the network. Could care less about their new phone anyway since the EVO seems much more appealing than a Zune phone or the restrictive phone it's based on. Could I be wrong and WP7 phones take off? Sure. Can they improve and I'll consider getting one in the future? Hope so. But am I going to support going backwards after the freedom I've become accustomed to? NO!

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I am on T-Mobile with my iPhone, and it has better call quality than my MyTouch 3G fully flashed on a really amazing eclair 2.1.

free apps eh? I have over 100 games (all free, none warez) on my iPhone, how many free games are you rocking combined on your OS's? I have free apps all over the place on my iPhone.

so you're telling me that wnmo has comparable apps/games to the iPhone? even die hard winmo cooks (one of which i used to be) know that's not even close to a reality. android is catching up app-wise (not there yet) but adroid games pretty much suck right now compared to iPhone.

The no-swap battery I hate, I wish the iPhone could do that, but it charges to full in like a half hour which is a nice mitigation.

I actually like Android more than iPhone OS, but you gotta give credit where it's due and realize that the iPhone has a lot of redeeming quality, but just like any other phone it's not perfect.

As far as customization, I am currently rocking a really nice Nexus One theme (has all android icons, sounds, skins) with the nexus one LWP with the lines and a good lockscreen, if you know the ropes you can change the UI look pretty nicely.

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Here are some basic features for the Iphone. I will get it if it comes out on sprint. Because this quality of the os on the iphone is so much better a lot of company are making software for the iphone. I hear that the camera on the iphone will be even better. The windows mobile phone made by htc has always had problems with there camera. If microsoft can make the os similar to windows 6.5 with multi-tasking, copying and pasting and improve there camera then I would get a windows mobile phone. I love the windows mobile business suite but I love the fact that apple is more in touch with their customer base.

A few features of iPhone 4G:
A new, sleeker body design.
OLED screen.
Multi-Tasking. (use multiple functions at once without going in and out of apps).
iChat camera (on the front so you can have video chat!!!).
32G (basic) and 64G of memory. You're sure to never run out.

Removable Battery.

Hi Definition Camera.
Hi Definition Camcorder.
Hi Definition audio.
Messaging light.
True GPS built in.

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Is this an iPhone thread?

if you are a pc user, the iPhone sucks plain and simple. I mean unless you are a kid with no job and want a nifty toy. :evil4: OOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOOOOO! A new sleek design?! ooooooOOOOOOooooo!

funny

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It seems the fanboys got in here. The Os so great it will be the ONLY "smartphone" without flash. Yeah, sounds great. The call quality is terrible to anyone but fanboys. The OS is too restrictive. And the apps that they rave about are garbage. Yay! Your phone can fart! The games suck on all phones. Name one thing an iphone app can do that a WinMo can't... Still waiting, but I'll give you some that the App store doesn't have that WinMo does. And oh goody, you get the use iTunes to put music on your phone. So jealous. 100's of free apps? So what. Apparently you must be new here because WinMo has websites with 1000's of free apps. Android is passing you up on the apps as well. Face it, your iphone sucks as a phone, orangekid. It's an ipod with a sorry excuse for a phone built in. Compare it to an HD2. Or a Nexus One. Or the upcoming EVO. What does iphone OS have on that? Nothing.

Still can't battery swap, or customize, and are under Apple's fascist app control. Reviews worldwide and everyone you call on your iphone agree the call quality sucks, but no, your right. Yours is different. And for the last time, THERE IS NO IPHONE 4G. You fanboys get sucked in by any buzzwords I don't know where you got that the battery was removable. Apparently you missed the story of the found iphone prototype that's been all over the news. AT least they did make it bigger. Multitasking has been around a while as well as OLED. All phones have GPS. And the camera is 5MP which is already beat by HTC. Also see the HD buzzword has got you. BTW the screen seems to have gotten smaller instead of bigger.

Nothing wrong with the iphone though. It has it's spot with trendy apple followers that like to brag about their phone with yesterday's technology like it just came out.

Anyway this isn't a discussion about iPhones. It's about WP7 and it's terrible decision to try and be like iPhone, so take your apple fanboyism to the proper thread.

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cant wait for wp7, booya;]

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what's the source for this?

What does your computer OS have to do with the iPhone, you can do anything with your iPhone from a pc that you can from a mac.

And of course we are going to get "iPhone sucks" people. I see you are rocking a Pro2. What is it specifically that "sucks" about the iPhone that your pro2 is doing?

The way things look right now I'd rather be rocking an iPhone 4G over winpho7 (although I will most assuredly have both + an android device)

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Ahm..you actually use a mac?

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I don't, that was my point.

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Well the subject did come up. As for me being "new"

I have owned a winmo phone for a long while, I have downloaded a crapload of cabs, I have flashed ROMs and cooked custom ROMs and customized my kitchen with loads and loads of ext packs, recmodded builds, etc... so I do know what I'm talking about.

I also own a MyTouch 3G, I have rooted it, flashed a custom eclair ROM on it (after flashing various eclair sense UI roms and such) and installed many programs and APKs, so i know android pretty well now too. My girl has a Nexus One and I am constantly playing with it.

I also own an iPhone and have jailbroken and unlocked it, modified it a million different ways. Here are some things you may not know, you are either willing to actually assimilate information into your current view, or you have to hold onto your current view no matter what the evidence.

1) iPhone OS can run awesome games that android and winmo can't match, not just fat apps, but legitimate awesome games, head over to the iPhone forums to see which ones

2) iPhone OS is linux/unix based, so it runs a lot more efficiently (like android) than winmo ever could, no crashes, constant restarts, etc...

3) iPhone OS can multitask (jailbroken), has real multi-touch built into the OS (doesn't need HTC to add it like the HD2)

4) I use mediamonkey to sync music (I hate itunes) into my iPhone.

5) can't get iheartradio for winmo (use it to stream some radio stations no one else has)

call quality is better than the mytouch, about the same as the Diamond, not as good as the Nexus One.


Having said that I still maintain I prefer Android to iPhone OS and winmo. winpho7 looks to be an epic failure because it tries to be like the iPhone OS without the open-source awesomeness that Android provides.


:headbang:


edit: btw android is ported on iPhone so we will be able to run both iPhone OS and Android on the 4G :)

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If the iPhone comes to Sprint... I will MOST DEFFINETELY be getting one.


For my wife. ( she likes the networked scrabble game )

WP7 all the way for me.
Even 1st Gen.
Can't wait.
p.

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Well, first off - I didn't mean to start anything that would get nasty and compel anyone to be critical of other users here. I don't share the sentiments of some other posts that were taking the iPhone thing to a more personal area.

I am always open for a good, rational debate with opposing views. I am not loyal to MS, Google, or Apple. So whoever puts out the best device for me (that best unifies the things i care about) is the one i will grab.

To answer your questions:

"What does the OS have anything to do with the iPhone?"
Sheesh. For me it is everything. Although i do not have an iPhone, many in my family do so i have spent much time with it (not claiming to be an expert on all things Apple). For starters, the number one complaint that i hear among PC users with iPhones is how terrible iTunes is. On a regular basis i see family members hitting there computer, waiting hours sometimes to get everything synced - if they are lucky. Sometimes they will wait that long only to find it crashed or something went wrong with it causing them to start over. For PC users, trying to sync music or copy files to your device is a simple, easy and seamless experience on a pc based phone.

How about sycing outlook with multple pop accounts to the iPhone? This is anothe HUGE area that completely matters what OS you have. For many PC users (most of the world) this is not acceptable. I have 4 pop accounts that i have to monitor in real time all day, every day.

Granted, the apps are cool (one reason i like the iPhone) but that isn't enough for a professional to get one. We would still need another device to monitor the important things in our lives.

What is it specifically that "sucks" about the iPhone that your pro2 is doing?
I got a good laugh at the, "I see you're rocking a TP2". You got me on that one. I am no loyalist to my TP2. Trust me when I say I am disappointed with it and sometimes feel like i am in the dark ages. LoL. Since i am with Verizon my only choices were the TP2 or the Motoral Droid. I strongly considered the droid, but had to go with the TP2 for similar reasons as my answer to the first question. My wife has the droid and the outlook app is not only expensive but hasn't been working well for her. I made the right decision for now. That being said i have not been compelled to run to a mountain top and declare that i have a TP2! Performace is crappy and sluggish and i have always been appalled by the look/functionality of WM. It does what i need it to do though. I can easily tranfer files, run pcanywhere (a must), music is never a hassle, outlook is always synced, i can handle anything work related from my phone. iPhone does not offer this. This is why i say, "iPhone sucks for a pc user." simply because it is true.

Although i beleive that you have a pc, i have a hard time beleiving that it is the only computer you have. I am led to beleive that you have a macbook or something. Reason being, i know many, many people with iPhones - the only ones who love it are mac users. The ones who have pc's are very frustrated with their iPhones. In my neck of the woods anyway.

Like i said, i am not really passionate about it rather opinionated. People have every right to love their iPhones (especially kids - who were the target market), it's a cool device. For professionals that need better integration with their pc's however, it is crap.

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the only valid point in the entire post was syncing with multiple accounts on Outlook. since I don't sync computer email with my phone email I am not sure if the iPhone can do that or not. But you are basically saying because the iPhone may not be able to sync on outlook that it is a device made for kids and "sucks."

I don't have a mac or macbook or anything, they cost way too much for what they don't offer. I have my HP laptop that does what i need it to do and sync music with MediaMonkey which works 1000x better than itunes or any other program I can think of for syncing music. It's fast, no problems, no lags, nothing. For everything else I just get into my iPhone filesystem and add/remove pics, videos, etc... when I want to instead of using iTunes (just like you do with WM).

I am not saying the iPhone is the best ever, or even "better" than wm6.5, wm7, or android 2.x. What I AM saying is that it is a legitimate contender as a smartphone OS and does have some perks you cannot get with wm6.x (and probably 7) and android 2.x (although as I already stated Android IS my favorite OS). I personally hate the pro2 because it uses an obsolete oldschool qualcomm processor and it is too bulky + i hate physical keyboards. I am thinking of getting an HD2 because I do like how 6.5 runs on it and I miss cooking ROMs with all of my fovorite mods, tweaks, and keyboards, etc...

some people have this obsessive need to downplay the legitimacy of iPhone OS for the exact same reason that some people obsessively claim iPhone is the best thing since popped corn. It's the same weird obsession on the opposite pole. I get it if it's not for you, but to just bash everything about it and just bedowngrade it (thanks Mike Gundy for that awesome word) as a "kid's toy" is the same as those who say "windows sucks at everything because it's so laggy and always crashes and always freezes and doesn't have any apps and you have to recook/flash for every little mod..."

the iphone can be a good business phone

http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2009224



Having said that and getting back on topic, I do look forward to winpho7 because it is brand new novel and that always interests me, I will fork out some $ for the latest winpho7 with no keyboard with a big screen, a similar specced android, and the iPhone 4G because truth be told I am very excited about all 3. If I had to pick which one would fail the most though my money is on winpho7.


Also, trust me it's just a discussion I don't take ANYTHING on these forums personally or care too much either way, after all we're just talking about phones here...

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+1

actually, an Intel MacBook can run Windows and do anything your standard Windows box can do

(although i'll give ya they cost too much $$$) :D

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yeah I'd rather buy a fast PC for a 4th of the price and just partition it to dual boot windows/snow leopard, (if I needed osx for any reason)

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you have a valid point but OSX won't run on just any hardware, so unless you specifically buy hardware that is compatible with OSX chances are something won't work quite right -or- will require some tweaking...

For instance my Dell Mini 10v can run OSX perfectly ;-)

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true enough, of course if I was going to buy a new rig with the intention of partitioning for snow leopard, I'd make sure to include all the necessary hardware components I needed. And save enough money to buy an IPHONE 4G!!

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and don't forget the WP7 (prolly save enough for both) :D

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roger that!

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Personally my biggest problem with WP7 is that it should have come out years ago. It's been over 3 years since the iPhone debuted, and in typical MS fashion, they got complacent and just let their market die. They expected other companies like HTC, Samsung, and SPB make up for all the deficiencies of their OS: too functional, not enough form, not easy to use, etc etc. They were last to the party when it came to having an app market despite having the oldest OS. This sorta reminds me of the problems behind Windows 7 itself. It should have come out years ago, and were it not for Macs being overpriced, and the continued support of WinXP, they would have lost control of the PC market.

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let me explain windows mobile to you if you haven't gotten the idea all these years. It's not a gameboy or any other type of toy you may be thinking of, it's a business device and the OS was designed to compete with Palm OS and symbian smartphones. MS got lazy because it was their market and no one cant touch it. Then Apple came along with the Ipod with a built in phone idea that many thought would not take off, but it did.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with windows mobile at it's current state. If your phone crashes it's because you screw around with the OS by downloading beta's all day/week/month/year. The OS is very fast if you dont have junk like Sense running on top of it that slow it down drastically. I know it's not cute like the cute buttons on android and iphone devices, but it's a business device and the main screen on windows mobile is meant to be direct and to the point. that's something microsoft has been very successful at for many years.

Those of you that think MS takes the market back, you better think again because MS went into the smartphone business with palm holding almost 90% of the market and took it over quickly.

also windows phone 7 devices do have multi-tasking abilities but not refined. look at this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5G-Jj33XQI

although i will not purchase a windows phone7 device until the usb drive option has been implimented, i still think it's the best OS out there hands down.

those of you that point out the kin: the reason the Kin failed is because verizon was charging the smartphone $30 fee on top of this device if you wanted it. Smart parents would not pay $30 for that device and ultimately it failed. I blame MS because they should have know better than to launch this device on verizon network instead of T-Mobile and/or sprint because of their price points. the kin would have been very successful as were the sidekicks were when they lanched only on t-mobile.

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A) You dont sound like you knoe what your talking about
B) You love your straw men, dont you?
C) First party multitasking will allow the email and other crap to happen that you want and this has been explained mroe then once in the thread already, just not necessarily to you.
D) Usually seeing blind loyalty somewhere else or fanboyism for something other than what you like says more about YOU than the person your wrongfully attempting to classify.

So far, nearly all of your posts in this forum are borderline trolling... but dont worry, your must be good at it since most noone seems to notice or mind. :twisted:

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rumor has it that delays in MS to deliver the Kin are what ultimatety got Verizon to charage more than they were going to, in other worde - the origianl deal included pricing that would probably have been successfull, but after the delays, its basicalyl became "why should I get a Kin if I can get a full smar tphone for the same rates?"...

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At least7 out of 9 is my guess :)

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I hate to burst your bubble (because i really like WP7) but this only worked because WP7 was in Alpha stages. This app would not run in the background on the current emulator. (I know, I have been playing around with it)

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haha, You have no idea what you are talking about!

Obviously you've never heard of Photon. Photon was windows mobile 7; M$ developed it for several years. About two years ago M$ decided to scrap Photon and make windows phone 7. Just because they haven't released anything doesn't mean they weren't working on something!

Moreover, XP is still popular because its used by businesses! Vista & Seven were made for consumers. If M$ did not support both of their business and consumer products they would have lost the market (in numbers and mind-share).

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Wow! Way to drag up an post from me in April when the preliminary rumored specs surfaced and have the cojones to call me a troll! So we went from no multitasking to some multitasking--big deal, my mogul can fully multitask NOW, albeit slowly...

What am I saying about myself? I still use a WM6.X phone because I haven't found a phone that I like enough or can recommend to my college. I'm not going to rush into this Alpha OS because it has the name Microsoft on it. It seems to me that they took a business class phone and made it into an gaming/social network platform with a few business apps installed, instead of making a business class phone that can do other things. I read enough of these posts and people here in this thread seem happy with Microsoft's revamped OS, and I sit here wondering, why should I be happy with more "bling" and less features and choices then I currently enjoy now in WM6.x?

The bottom line is this, we can keyboard banter back and forth till we're both blue in the wrists...Come October we will see what happens in Europe, and in November here in the states how successful this turns out to be or not.

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How is this statement a compliment to Microsoft? This says to me that they don't know what they are doing and that doesn't inspire any confidence in me.

Let's review the past few years:

WM 6.X: successful but abandoned anyway
Photon: abandoned unknown reason
Kin: failed/abandoned $240 million write off
WP7 ??? time will tell/where are the CDMA carriers?

If WP7 is just the new name for Photon, that means it took Microsoft 4+ years to come out with an OS that needs another 5+ years to fine tune. Again, doesn't make me all warm and tingly inside.

So many reason to sit this launch out and see what happens in the next year or so...

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Windows 7 will blow just like every other previous version. I hate to admit that because I have been one of windows biggest supports since day 1. After suffering through the Moto Q, the HTC 6800, the TP1 and now the TP2 I have come to the conclusion that Microsoft can't make a mobile operating system. Gates himself has said that if Windows 7 tanks, then they will pull the plug on WM and not go any further. I hate Apple but I recently broke down and bought a Itouch because I have a BMW that the Itouch integrates with. I know the itouch works because the OS was written for only an Apple type machine. Yes it is propritary and Apple tries to milk every penny out of you but the dam thing just plain works! No lock up, Freezes, or slowness. No bullshit! More and more I'm becoming convinced that the OS system should be manufactured for a specific phone. In other words, HTC should only have 1 phone OS and no one else should use thier product or another OS! Gates himeself, was complaining about the manufactures putting WM 6.1 and 6.5 on phones that weren't cabable of handling them! Sadly, I'm stuck on VZW so I basically have no phone selection....I know I won't be "Charlie Brown'ed"
(running to kick the footbal Lucy is holding) with windows 7 and if your smart, neither will you be!

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That statement is a contradiction....you meant to say "those of you that don't think MS takes the market back"?

If so..don't compare fighting Palm at an early stage to fighting off Google and Apple...thats like saying..hey I took over a fortress alone against butterflies....now watch me go it alone against dragons....not to mention, entering in new gives you an "underdog" advantage...re-branding yourself is a lot harder...there will be people who used winmo and didn't like it and won't bother even trying wp7...

Not to mention this time they are going in without Verizon in the initial launch...

Reason kin failed was because there were people in M$ that wanted it to fail...specifically the guy who is in charge of making WP7 was jealous of the kin and did everything to prevent it from succeeding...

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Very good read, you make valid points from both perspectives.

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An excellent read. I though want more from a business prospective than entertainment. No keyboard is ok if there is an application similar to Swype; otherwise I just gotta have a keyboard.

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I am with you buddy. The best thing WM has always had going for them is the ability to mod the homescreen. What happens if you get bored with the stupid tiles, then what????????

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This thread died but it was kind of interesting to read over it.

There's a claim somewhere in here that Bill Gates said something like "if windows phone 7 fails we'll pull out of the mobile OS business". Where did that come from? Seems like an awfully pessimistic statement to make about the OS. Not a common PR strategy.

A lot of this depends on stuff we don't know. Too many bold statements thrown around based on an early version without being able to predict how effectively the hackers and coders can work around restrictions. We have to wait at least until they have a chance to tackle customizing the UI, popping the storage card, etc.

Of course if it's true all this stuff will be locked down and it's gonna take months of work by 3rd party fans to make it usable, I may just run out of patience and grab a droidx.

On my home PC I like having an MS OS because it's compatible with MS programs like office that I occasionally use, not to mention everything else that gets out on windows only, or windows first. And there's backwards compatibility with old programs. But on the phone I don't have these compatibility issues. I can't run these cabs on anything else. I don't have to sync with outlook. So I don't really care if MS or apple or google makes my OS. As long as it does what I want.