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cyclical 03-16-2010 06:40 PM

Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Per Engadget...


http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/w...opy-and-paste/

Discuss

correct 03-16-2010 07:01 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
i'm done.... they can keep that sh*t. if you're ok with buying a dumb phone, you're probably better off getting an iphone, no? why settle for an imitation with less features, and apps? i'm upgrading to android when time comes...

havox22 03-16-2010 07:04 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by correct (Post 1634624)
i'm done.... they can keep that sh*t. if you're ok with buying a dumb phone, you're probably better off getting an iphone, no? why settle for an imitation with less features, and apps? i'm upgrading to android when time comes...

no since the iphone doesnt have xbox or physical keyboards, but MS gets a Big thumbs down from me because of this:protest:

avoider03 03-16-2010 08:15 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Well, I couldn't wait long enough for the new Android, so I got the HTC Touch Pro2. The TP2 is good enough that I could never understand why it is never mentioned in a comparison of smartphones! By the time the TP2 has served its two years, the Android phones should be super cool. And it won't be hard to make a decision which way to go, for someone likes to customize a powerful tool.

Tim Smith 03-16-2010 08:28 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
It's amazing how you people love to overreact.
http://twitter.com/thurrott/statuses/10593003663

Existentialism 03-16-2010 08:45 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
That means nothing. The key is, it's not there now, and it's not the only thing missing. This is the just the straw that broke the camels back. They shouldn't even be CONSIDERING leaving this out, and the fact that they are just speaks to how far this whole thing has gone out of control.

Tim Smith 03-16-2010 08:48 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Existentialism (Post 1634833)
That means nothing. The key is, it's not there now, and it's not the only thing missing. This is the just the straw that broke the camels back. They shouldn't even be CONSIDERING leaving this out, and the fact that they are just speaks to how far this whole thing has gone out of control.

It means nothing? A story says the phone WON'T have it, someone confirms it will and you say that means nothing? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Who said they were considering leaving it out? They're planning on putting it in there and at some point it will be. Just like flash. It's not complete, which is why we have to wait until the end of the year. Plenty of time to add all of this shit in. So if they demo a phone and say "you can't make calls with this yet" should people freak out and say "OMFG YOU CAN'T MAKE CALLS WITH THIS PHONE"? No if someone did that you'd call them stupid. This situation is just as stupid. But I get the impression you and some of the other people are just looking for shit to whine about.

Existentialism 03-16-2010 08:52 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Reading Comprehension, you should look into it:

Quote:

So I was told that Windows Phone copy and paste is not definitely, but that they were looking at adding this before RTM. It's not there now.
So basically, this means, not there now, they're thinking of adding it. This tells me that they didn't think it was a big deal, and after seeing all of the big effing deal people are making they are going, "oh shit! Say something to shut them up." So they throw out something non-comittal to get people to simmer down, and people like you buy it hook, line and sinker. Maybe they will add it before release, but the fact that it's not there to begin says a lot.

jethro_static 03-16-2010 08:54 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1634786)
It's amazing how you people love to overreact.
http://twitter.com/thurrott/statuses/10593003663

Why do we have to take his word instead of engadget's interview with the MS employee? Is he something special or your on denial?

Yup, I agree this means nothing. Came from a random site owner that you prolly never visited the site. Came from Twitter of all sources. Said that he was told. By who? God? LMAO!

obamaftw08 03-16-2010 08:54 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1634841)
It means nothing? A story says the phone WON'T have it, someone confirms it will and you say that means nothing? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Who said they were considering leaving it out? They're planning on putting it in there and at some point it will be. Just like flash. It's not complete, which is why we have to wait until the end of the year. Plenty of time to add all of this shit in. So if they demo a phone and say "you can't make calls with this yet" should people freak out and say "OMFG YOU CAN'T MAKE CALLS WITH THIS PHONE"? No if someone did that you'd call them stupid. This situation is just as stupid. But I get the impression you and some of the other people are just looking for shit to whine about.

jajajaja pwnt sir.

Existentialism 03-16-2010 09:03 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 1634855)
Why do we have to take his word instead of engadget's interview with the MS employee? Is he something special or your on denial?


Paul Thurrott is a pretty big and well known Windows blogger, with connections within Microsoft, but he's an avid iPhoney and WM hater so I take everything he says with a grain of salt. That said, neither source has any reason to lie. However, Engadget and Paul agree on one thing, it's not there NOW and it might not be at release. Paul's twit gives hope, nothing more. Even then, like I said, the fact that they could overlook something like this is a bad sign. :angry7:

redd214 03-16-2010 10:27 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
wow!! :angry7:

so i cant copy and paste an address from an email into google maps. nail in the coffin for me. sure it might come in the future, but its not something i should have to wait for an update for, just my personal thoughts based on how i use my phone. :disgust:

whetzel 03-16-2010 10:32 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1634841)
...But I get the impression you and some of the other people are just looking for shit to whine about.

Actually it's just the opposite.

I was looking for shit to be excited about, but with all of these announcements, I'm not excited about anything that has to do with the future of WM.

Android is looking pretty damn good right about now though.

I don't know why everyone is arguing about this though.

Either you like what's been announced or you don't. Either you're going to buy a WP7 or you're not.

It's all a matter of opinion, but if even half of the 'rumors' about WP7 are true, Microsoft might as well give up on the smart phone market altogether.

obxKevin 03-16-2010 10:50 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Per the updated Engadget article:

"Update: We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality."

Hmmm. Not sure if this is the nail in the coffin for me or not, considering I just got the above paragraph in via copy/paste. Can't imagine not having it.

Also, no manufacturer UI customization allowed? I don't use xbox at all, have very little interest in social media as the main focus of my home screen, all devices will have the same three button configuration...Will wait and see what develops but I don't know guys...

piscesjoey 03-16-2010 11:02 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obxKevin (Post 1635098)
Per the updated Engadget article:

"Update: We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality."

Hmmm. Not sure if this is the nail in the coffin for me or not, considering I just got the above paragraph in via copy/paste. Can't imagine not having it.

Also, no manufacturer UI customization allowed? I don't use xbox at all, have very little interest in social media as the main focus of my home screen, all devices will have the same three button configuration...Will wait and see what develops but I don't know guys...

Screw M$, I'm getting me a Supersonic in June. Now I see why Sprint didn't go after getting the HD2....

whetzel 03-16-2010 11:14 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obxKevin (Post 1635098)
Per the updated Engadget article:

"Update: We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality."

Hmmm. Not sure if this is the nail in the coffin for me or not, considering I just got the above paragraph in via copy/paste. Can't imagine not having it.

Also, no manufacturer UI customization allowed? I don't use xbox at all, have very little interest in social media as the main focus of my home screen, all devices will have the same three button configuration...Will wait and see what develops but I don't know guys...

Lol. Wow. This just keeps getting better and better.

Is Microsoft even trying? Seriously. ](*,)

bkrodgers 03-16-2010 11:15 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20...=2547-1_3-0-20

"We don't enable copy and paste and we do that very intentionally," Windows Phone executive Todd Brix said in an interview.

There is no accident here. It has nothing to do with it being unfinished, or them running out of time. They actively made this decision, according to the Senior Director for Mobile Platform Services Product Management.

obxKevin 03-16-2010 11:26 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
One other thing I did hear is that 6.5 will NOT be killed off. Handsets featuring 6.5 will continue to be produced into the future years. I can't remember where I read this but I believe it was said that 6.5 would be renamed and re-branded as the more "business-like" WinMo while retaining all of its current functionality. WP7S will be targeted to a different demographic.

Anybody else remember hearing this?

bkrodgers 03-16-2010 11:43 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obxKevin (Post 1635206)
One other thing I did hear is that 6.5 will NOT be killed off. Handsets featuring 6.5 will continue to be produced into the future years. I can't remember where I read this but I believe it was said that 6.5 would be renamed and re-branded as the more "business-like" WinMo while retaining all of its current functionality. WP7S will be targeted to a different demographic.

Anybody else remember hearing this?

Yes, I've heard this in numerous sources. But I have my doubts that this will really mean the platform stays alive. At the same time they've said this, they've also made it clear that there is absolutely no upgrade or migration path for WP7. You just start over. And WP7 is where they are directing their resources. Sure, they'll sell it to any hardware maker that still wants it. I think they're keeping it alive for people (business customers in particular) that are already invested. But I believe that new investment in WM6 will dry up very quickly. And I think those corporate customers will be looking for a migration path, and it might not be WP7. Large development houses will move on. Hardware manufacturers will move on. And then, WM6 dies.

cyclical 03-17-2010 01:13 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Why the hell would they not support copy and f'n paste? I use it all the damn time even in just text messages and emails!

mizofizo 03-17-2010 02:01 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
I'm still trying to figure out a scenario in which I personally would need copy and paste since I don't do it right now...

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have as an option and it will be there eventually.

I really think that their intelligent sensing of text will cover a majority of what people use copy and paste for. An example: If you have an address in a e-mail and you want to see it on a map, you just tap the address. No CnP needed.

havox22 03-17-2010 02:57 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mizofizo (Post 1635534)
I'm still trying to figure out a scenario in which I personally would need copy and paste since I don't do it right now...

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have as an option and it will be there eventually.

I really think that their intelligent sensing of text will cover a majority of what people use copy and paste for. An example: If you have an address in a e-mail and you want to see it on a map, you just tap the address. No CnP needed.

im with you, i rarely use copy & paste but i still think it should be there, there is absolutly no upside to not having it

Copy & paste is like a toaster i never use it but i still have 1 cuz you never know when you will need to make some toaster strudels

hellraiser_osu 03-17-2010 08:56 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
OK I'm friends with the Microsoft Architect Evangelist here in Columbus, Ohio and I've been having discussions with him about this as well as how disappointed I was in copy & paste.. His response to me was there's a lot of internal discussions on it has to be there.. so we'll see. He did say well at least we can do OTA updates with it and not rely on carriers and OEMs to do it so it won't be hard to get it in if it doesn't make it during launch.

Also, the reasoning for removal of storage capabilities.. in his words.. same reason Zune is without it.. DRM. Once they put Zune functionality in it they had to remove it. I would've just segmented it myself and made it so only Zune items can be accessed on the internal memory while keeping the storage card as an option and separate if that was the case . Then again, people would complain about not being able to save media on their storage card.

VelJharig 03-17-2010 08:25 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hellraiser_osu (Post 1635820)
Also, the reasoning for removal of storage capabilities.. in his words.. same reason Zune is without it.. DRM. Once they put Zune functionality in it they had to remove it. I would've just segmented it myself and made it so only Zune items can be accessed on the internal memory while keeping the storage card as an option and separate if that was the case . Then again, people would complain about not being able to save media on their storage card.

And that one makes sense... nasty, but it makes sense finally. Was trying to figure out why MS would decide "you don't need that" all of a sudden. They'd better have manufacturers that decide to put 64+ GB in their high-end versions of the phones then. The first thing I run out of with a new phone is storage... and usually in the first year of use.

That or an acceptable alternative would be: "This isn't user-replaceable storage because you have to remove this screw right here to get to the microSD slot... *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*", much like Sony does with their region encoding on DVD players.

Weapondrift 03-18-2010 04:22 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Existentialism (Post 1634833)
That means nothing. The key is, it's not there now, and it's not the only thing missing. This is the just the straw that broke the camels back. They shouldn't even be CONSIDERING leaving this out, and the fact that they are just speaks to how far this whole thing has gone out of control.

I couldnt have said it better myself...no really, I couldnt have.

Understandably from the reviews WP7 is getting into the social aspect of things, so in some regards I have a feeling that Microsoft is thinking "very few in social media uses C/P, and those that do use it rarely". (speculation) However, those that actually use WM for the buisness end need that function. Whats next they are going to take out WM Office?! I NEED that for work dangit! angry9:

cohowap 03-18-2010 10:50 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
I just got an update that WP7 WILL have external storage capabilities. The issue is that WP7 treats the storage as a single drive (Combines internal and external). Thus, when you remove your card, you are removing items the OS needs to run.

Once this is done, the phone will hard reset and use the internal storage only.

Only time can tell if this is acceptable for OEMS to include in thier hardware.

gprimr1 03-18-2010 11:57 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Windows Phone 7 has a lot of high points, but some major dissappointments.

This is a big disappointment.

DavidinCT 03-18-2010 11:14 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
No copy and paste ? Haha...sounds like MS is going backwards. After all there will be Word and Excel on WP7 and no copy/paste ?

hahaha

Tim Smith 03-20-2010 01:51 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/m...ly-offer-copy/

[sammich] 03-22-2010 05:11 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
One word describes my overall feelings towards Microsoft:

Disgust.

terces 03-23-2010 12:51 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
I'm just waiting for no Exchange support.

wookie1969 03-24-2010 10:50 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
I just got HD2 with WM7. I can cut and paste fine.

gTen 03-24-2010 11:01 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wookie1969 (Post 1657950)
I just got HD2 with WM7. I can cut and paste fine.

I hope you are being sarcastic...

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And at rate M$ is going they gonna drive themselves out of business >.>

jbearamus 03-24-2010 11:17 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redd214 (Post 1635036)
wow!! :angry7:

so i cant copy and paste an address from an email into google maps. nail in the coffin for me. sure it might come in the future, but its not something i should have to wait for an update for, just my personal thoughts based on how i use my phone. :disgust:

in several of the demonstration videos MS has mentioned they're going to be making to phone smart enough you can tap something and the phone will know what to do with such as just tapping the address in an email and it will know to pull up a map
i know this has already been done because on my Hero if theres a phone number on a web page in the browser if i tap it the phone knows to carry the number to the dialer and type it in so all i have to do hit "dial"
it's not that they won't have copy/paste its just that for the time being, theyre trying to make it unnecessary, while being open to it in the future

jbearamus 03-24-2010 11:18 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wookie1969 (Post 1657950)
I just got HD2 with WM7. I can cut and paste fine.

no, you have the HD2 with Windows Phone 6.5.x with HTC Sense running on top of it, but yes you can cut/copy/paste just fine

BenC 03-25-2010 12:34 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
I copy/paste extensively. This feature and lack of multi-tasking is an issue for many of us. My devices have normally been used extensively in a work-environment, so these are important issues for me.

havox22 03-25-2010 02:23 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenC (Post 1659167)
I copy/paste extensively. This feature and lack of multi-tasking is an issue for many of us. My devices have normally been used extensively in a work-environment, so these are important issues for me.

then stay on WM 6.x

jbearamus 03-25-2010 03:12 PM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenC (Post 1659167)
I copy/paste extensively. This feature and lack of multi-tasking is an issue for many of us. My devices have normally been used extensively in a work-environment, so these are important issues for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by havox22 (Post 1659483)
then stay on WM 6.x

or just wait for the announcement of Legacy series and see if that will keep getting the job down for ya

whetzel 03-26-2010 04:30 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenC (Post 1659167)
I copy/paste extensively. This feature and lack of multi-tasking is an issue for many of us. My devices have normally been used extensively in a work-environment, so these are important issues for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by havox22 (Post 1659483)
then stay on WM 6.x

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbearamus (Post 1659609)
or just wait for the announcement of Legacy series and see if that will keep getting the job down for ya

Or just switch to Android, like most of us are going to do.

jbearamus 03-26-2010 04:59 AM

Re: Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
 
well yeah android has copy/paste but its not quite what windows mobile was so don't expect the world from it


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