You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Ok I was involved in a thread about Garmin Mobile XT, in that thread 2010 maps came up, I asked about those maps and received a mild reprimand from a moderator (they where black market), I don’t have a problem with that, or the moderator!! But it did bring up a question, so you pay good money for a program, in this case about $100.00, expecting the company to stand behind that program and offer, for a price, updates to keep the software usable and current, then that company just drops it from their line up, no support, no updates (This is a program that we all know needs updates to stay current we all buy these programs expecting them to stay current) nothing from them except sorry dude your out of luck.
So do these companies deserve the respect that we would give a company that honors their product, and implied future of that product?
How far do they really need/deserve to be protected for their intellectual property? I know I can go buy another program to do basically the same thing, but $100.00!! for a program that was basically outdated when they released it what with the growth that was going on before the economy went south, then just drop it.
I know this is sour grapes on my part but it still begs the questions
Terry

WAREZ Reply
 

At this point in time, it really doesn't matter as much as it used to because Microsoft (of all people) has provided you with a good excuse: It doesn't make any difference anymore because Windows Mobile is being discontinued. People have already stopped making software long ago (Firefox Mobile, for example), and as the date of Windows Mobile's demise approaches, people will continue to cease development for it. Just like you stopped seeing people selling Palm OS apps shortly after Palm halted the Palm OS, you don't hear about Windows Mobile apps anymore, and 5+ years down the road (when the hardware is really outdated), people will quit Windows Mobile in droves. Sure, they can still sell the software after it is outdated, but people no longer buy it, so it'll be like the Palm OS is today - there, but not a big staple anymore. Depending on the obsolence of the product, you may wish to still support the developer, but if Garmin has moved on to "bigger and better" (at least their idea of "bigger and better", android, Apple, WebOS) then it is really up to you.

Or maybe I'm being too cruel?:lol::banghead: You decide.

- 2 Bunny

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Problem is they stopped supporting WM before Microsoft stopped!
But I actualy ment this in a broader sence then just Garmin, and WM, I just used them as an example.
Terry

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Correct me plz, but isn't WM actually just being replaced by Phone 7 ? so its not like Microsoft is getting out of the mobile game, right?

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Well, they are switching from the Smartphone to the Dumbphone market, so in a way they are, but just slapping real Windows Mobile customers in the face.

- 2 Bunny

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And I am so tired of b eing slapped in the face my next phone is going to be an android, first it was Palm, now WM, I don't have a very good track record, lets see if me going with Android ruins those phones too! :mrgreen:

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Android looks cool on the outside, but there's too much "toilet paper" in the UI for me. Its the next best thing though if something doesn't come up in the meantime.

- 2 Bunny

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Maybe I'm not following, but in a nutshell... you got a GPS program and you're mad that they decided not to make updates for it anymore? I mean, do you really drive on new roads so often that the 'outdated' maps are causing you to get lost?

I paid 200 bucks for a Mio that's now 4 or 5 years old, and stills works great though I haven't updated it. (and those updates btw cost like 100 bucks, you could get a new device/program for that much).

I guess I'd be mad if I spent 200 bucks then I realized... oh crap, my phone has sprint nav + google maps built in, I coulda gotten this service for free. But without my phone I'd be pretty happy with the money I spent years ago, even knowing the GPS will never improve.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Well first off yes I guess that's it I am a little POed that they charge som much for any program that relies on updates then tell you sorry.
To answer your question yes I do travel on new roads a lot, you need to know/remember that I live in Ut. we have had a lot of groweth in the past few years, I-15 was drasticly changed, new exits, most all exits where renamed, new roads, new neighborhoods, a lot of changes.
Sprint nav. as bad as it is, is NOT free, google maps is free, but you need an internet connection for them, have you ever been on a motorcycle in the sun and tried to read Google maps? next to impossible! that and the fact that I am not always in coverage areas make Sprint nav, and googlemaps useless.
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

so u just bought software that according to the website last saw an update in 2007 and your mad because you just figured out that they are not updating it.

look at the supported device lineup the have for XT, if that didnt give away that its one year older then dirt then i dont know what will.

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Yes WM is being replaced by Windows Phone 7. Correct, this does not mean Microsoft is getting out of the mobile business. However, WP is a completely new OS built from the ground up, not simply an upgrade to WM renamed to WP. This means that all of the apps written to run on WM phones will not be usable on a WP phone.](*,)](*,)](*,)

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

So your assuming that I JUST bought this software, being aware that they where not supporting it?
No I bought this software a few years ago, back when they ADVERTISED that it would be updated for an affordable price, they added Google search, but never did update the maps so I kind of feel suckered, as I stated in a couple of posts that Garmin is just an example, did you read all of the posts?](*,) It just amazes me that some of us talk about supporting software developers, not pirating their work, which I happen to agree with, but it does not seam to go both ways, I don't care if it is garmin or whoever, if you buy software, expencive software that is advertized to be updated, it should be updated, atleast long enough to get a persons money worth?
Terry

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I know, it seams like th only business phone developer that has pretty much stayed true to what works, and what made them popular is RIM and their black berrys.
I also can't believe how phone like the iPhone have completely taken over, I have an iPod touch, as a business device these things are clunky in my opinion, I cannot see myself trying to use one, atleast there are a few companies making Android phones with sliding keyboards, but calendar and contacts is still an issue, I am not sure if there are any affordable desktop programs that will work with Android calendar and contacts.
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Can't Android sync with a Google account?

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That's a good observation how something so ridiculous as the devices apple creates succeed. They've managed to undo years of progress in such a short time. Three years. We started out with QVGA screens and a pretty good interface. Now we have VGA, and now that larger resolution on the new Apple Phone 4, and it is wasted so badly. With less than a fifth the screen, we were able to do five times as much. And the sad part is that we let it influence culture and devices as we know it. Even our classy Windows Mobile 6 devices have toilet paper scrolling to some degree and inefficiency of the UI further developed. I can do almost anything a stylus can do with the edge of my thumb. This is why I like smaller buttons and normal scrolling.
Many of you still browse PPCGeeks on a desktop (I hope some do at least). Notice how the way to scroll a page taller than your monitor is to either use that little wheel on your mouse, or grab the slider on the side of the page (not that slider from WinMo...). There is very little (if any) toilet paper scrolling anywhere in Windows, and it is still a popular operating system. Apple completely took over the world as we knew it and dumbed down our devices to a pre 1980s level of stupidity with a 2010 level of processing power. Just makes you take a breath, step back, and say, "wow".

- 2 Bunny

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Consiering that it is a Google device I would say yes, but if you use your desktop to handle appointments on a regular basis and you loose your internet your out of a calendar until it comes back on, I have my Intrepid set up to sync with Google, but I also sync it with Outlook, I thought it would be so nice to just sync with Google calendar then I could access it on any computer any where, my wife was doing appointments and lost the internet, talk about frustrating, I would never rely soley on the cloud for syncing, and calendaring.
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

maybe you shoulda gone with a free alternative, honestly I'll take Android navigation over garmin any day.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

It's not about respect. It's about the law. Even if you totally disrespect Sears, you can't just take a riding lawnmower home.

Seriously. Respect? You need to respect someone to not steal from them? When the hell did that happen?

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Actualy I think you misunderstood, and I can see how that could happen, but I think I made it clear that I don't steel from these companies, but I am beginning to not respect any of them, weather I buy their software or not, I guess at least one good thing will come of WM going away so will some of these third rate developers, now don't go missunderstanding me again, I know Garmin will not go away!!!
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Isn't Android Navigaton just Google maps? If so I would take Garmin over that, I like google maps for what it is, but there are a lot of missnamed streets, and business on the wrong street, wile I use google maps, you just cant rely on it giving you the correct street/address for where you want to go, but it is free, and they are working to improve it, but it is web based, I think I mentioned that I travel out of coverage areas a lot.
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Let me remind you of what the NEXT sentence was in your post, after you talked about losing respect for a company...
Yeah, that bit was confusing me, since clearly you were implying that not respecting a company means you don't need/deserve to protect their intellectual property. Silly me, I thought you were implying you'd happily steal from those people.

Hey, what can I say. I'm easily confused by those kinds of statements.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

Actualy in my reply to you I said I can understand how you could be confused by my statement, I posted in haste, and was not clear, so didn't mean to disrespect you on that one, my point (not very well made) in the original post was that since Garmin dropped the program, stopped supporting it, just let it go by the wayside why should/does that software (The software that was dropped by Garmin, meaning no longer supported, no longer developed) deserve to be protected, I mean if Garmin let it go by the wayside wats the point.
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

The point is, that doesn't matter. Unless/Until Gamin releases it into the public domain, it's not free. Hence, it is protected.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

I'm starting to see your thinking I guess. I live in a place where even though the roads really need upgrading they don't get it. so maybe for year old maps won't cut it for you.
I think a gps company should either
A: update a device for a good long time, building them in such a way that they can be updated easily along side with their modern cousins
or
B: make it crystal clear when they sell a device that its life is gonna end fairly soon. Or even stop selling it once it seems clear the next thing has a release date in a year or so.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

But they didn't do that, and that sucks. It is what it is. Tell your story to anyone who actually BOUGHT Windows Vista, they will laugh in your face. Or how about anyone who bought an HD2 right before Microsoft confirmed it would never get a WP7 upgrade! They sure could have told us that before we bought the damn phone.

Sometimes companies don't do what you want or think they should do, but that does not excuse breaking the law or infringing copyright protection.

You got a few good years use out of the program, now it's time to part ways.

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Man I can't believe how some here have missconstrued this thread to think that it is/was to condone steeling, I never said that one time, and I never intended it to be construed that way, the "Warez" in the title was because I had, in another post, been tagged as supporting steeling, and was chastized for it by manigment, I covered that in the first post, a couple of the replys put me on the defencive, and I shouldn't have bit on that one, my point is in my opinion these companies don't deserve support, they don't deserve respect, they don't deserve to be in business, and until we start not supporting them, and let me make this clear one more time THIS IS NOT JUST GARMIN BUT EVERY COMPANY, PERSON, WHAT EVER WHO TREAT THE COMSUMER LIKE WE ARE JUST THERE TO IMPROVE THEIR BOTTOM LINE, now I understand that they are in business to make money, but I buy a product intending to get my moneys worth out of it, some I do and some I don't, just tired of the ones that I don't, so drop the your condoning steeling, no, no I'm not, I am in a business that produces a product and is supposed to be protected by intelecual property laws, sadly I have people steel from me on a regular basis, but does that mean that I stop giving my customers their moneys worth, or giving them a product that has a usful lifespan and actualy lives up to that, I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

One more note:
The latest .img map files from Garmin will work with Garmin mobile XT, I emailed them more then once practicly begging them to sell me those .img files, I was not asking for updated POI information, I was not asking for TTS files, just updated maps that's all, and like I said they have the files, and they do work but they just told me nope, sorry you waisted your money but we don't care, just to be clear that was not exactly their words they where mine, but you get the point.
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

May I direct you to the topic title you selected?

Yeah.

If you tell us you are a duck, don't be surprised if we expect you to quack. If you really want to get mad, be mad at Microsoft, who in one quick move made all of your windows mobile software obsolete.

Yay. Progress.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

I see this guys point. If they stop support for the software the least they can do if give him access to buy the updated maps. How freekin hard is that??? So what is a guy to do, well you go to bittorrent and bootleg them..not saying this is right, nor is he, but I think the point is this company is setting themselves up for "warez" when they could have actually made some money selling him some new maps. This is the problem with entire pda software industry and why everybody is moving to an "app store" concept to try and control this as best as possible, much like the MP3 and napster BS and what it has evolved into today. GPS software has been the worst, its much easier to find bootleg maps than it is to find ones you can buy.

Isnt the solution here (or sortoff solution) to use the internet to handle licenses. Much like windows handles OS licenses.

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

My Point exactly.
Just thanked you!!!
Terry

Re: You, Me, Companies that don't really care, and Warez!?
 

I guess it all depends on the person. If you called/attemped to contact a company about a product they still sell but, don't offer support, don't buy it.

I have been tempted in the past to "pirate" software due to the lack of support (just simple questions, that is not answered on their site, via e-mail never get replies, even after 3-4 attempts) but, I just gave up.

If a company gives up support, they should drop the price down to almost nothing or give it away for free/open source (it should be a law). GPS software is a little different, as even TomTom gives the software away but, you pay for the maps, they don't have to really support the software. The maps work across different devices.

Talk about a way to get screwed...