windows 7: iphone series (2 steps forward, 3 steps back)
 

WTF is going on? sure, some of the stuff i was happy to (FINALLY) hear was going to be incorparated: cap tscreen, zune intergration and xbox live. but the more i learn about its offerings, the more shittier it becomes. if i wanted a damn shitty locked down dumbphone aka the iphone, i'd get one by now (hell, EVEN FREE with no monthly charges you still won't see me looking stupid with an iphone)(my work let us chose our own phones, and 1 out of 5 chose and iphone, the rest of us carry a blackberry)

this new os from the peeps at redmond are pissing me off. no ext flash mem?!! no multi-task? no usb functionality? you have to put stuff on the phone through the zune software like what apple forces you to do with the itunes?!! my personal phone is a sprint touch pro2 and that is the best phone and when i heard all the cool stuff that the guy on stage was showing off, i was floored. now reality sets in and it's like the iphone.

i guess once the newness wears off and the tp2 starts getting long in the tooth, i guess my next phone will have the sould of a webos and if they aren't around, then i'll be carrying 2 blackberries.

there is hope though...it's called series so many all the great stuff we expect (hackability, functionality, customizity (that's not a word)) will be on the windows 7 starter edition. or something.

what about any of you? do you share my frustration and dissapointment at windows iphone series?

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When are some of you going to realize that a business aims towards making money FIRST.... it's no secret that Microsoft saw how Apple was able to shoot past them and outsell them with ONE phone on one network compared to the variety of handsets available on a variety of carriers. It's also no secret to them that Android is now selling over 60,000 handsets a day.. they know they have to go in a different direction and they figured if the iphone was setting standards then maybe it would be a good idea to follow.

This isnt different than anything in history when it comes to marketing and goods. Sure, people here will be bent out of shape because of the noncustomization of it but in the grand scheme of things they will probably sell more units and make more money. For once in the last 5 years, they're actually creating a little buzz over the release of this thing. You cant expect a company to keep using a method that obviously isnt working for them when they're constantly losing marketshare. and will more than likely continue at the rate that google is cranking out phones.

Personally ill probably never purchase another windows phone after the TP2 but I do understand that a business is a business first. They dont care about people being pissed about not being able to flash or use a memory card... they care about making money. It is what it is.

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Business might be business - but a ppc is a ppc - and that's what I want.

From what I've read, this new WP is aimed towards a demographic of 38 year old men & women, married, kids, semi professional, very socially active. Same crowd that Droid & WebOS is shooting for.

If I can't choose what my phone gives me in daily info, I don't need that phone. Talk about bloating a device.

In it's current state, WP7 utterly useless for my needs.

I'll be the retro dino user, who opts for WM6.89 down the road.

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I'm (almost) that crowd and based on what I've heard even I don't want it. My bet is that unless the OS is only superficially "locked" then a lot of the people who buy PPCs now will desert the Windows Mobile platform in favor of something like Android while MS sells to a whole new market.

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that last part is what i think a lot of people are missing. microsoft doesnt want only the business crowd anymore, the want the average everyday person. there are much more of those in the world than power users and especially more than people like us that love customizing. business is business

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I think what they are showing is the stuff for the general social and trendy market. Let's face it, that's what sells. I'm pretty sure there is going to be a WP7 Pro or something with a lot of features for power users.

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I have to agree with the OP.

I 'was' excited about WM7, but the more I find out about it, the more I hate it.

I can understand that it's a business for Microsoft, but how is it going to hurt them to be able to customize you phone a little? From what I understand, you can't even skin it.

I'm sure the soccer moms and iPhone wanabe's will love it, but if feels like they're completely abandoning their loyal WM users.

Like I said, I 'was' excited about WM7, but it looks like my TP2 will be my last WM phone.

Android, here I come.

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valid points but when will they realize that they're not going to recapture that market share? even though the new zune is leaps and bounds better than its predessesor, it still trails far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar behind the ipod touch. if this new phone looks, smells, feels, tastes, acts, pokes, eats, fingers, quacks like an iphone, why not just get the real thing? ms will still be where they are now.

if that's the case, then they should just have 2 os, one for my grandma, and one for me. is that too much to ask?

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I love how all these so called "loyal" users are so quick to jump ship several months before a product is even launched or the public has a chance to get it's hands on it. Doesn't sound to loyal to me.

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Netscape was waaaaaaay ahead of internet explorer in the early days. Good thing you weren't running Microsoft back then.

What if I don't like the one they make for your grandma or the one they make for you? Should they make three? How about four? How about hundreds of versions just to be safe!

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Personally, for me, I've seen/heard enough about it to know it's not what I want in a smart phone.

I have about 9 months before I can upgrade my phone, so I'll actually get to see WM7 before I make my final decision, but I'm 98% sure I'll be buying an Android phone for my next phone.

The only reason I didn't buy an Android phone instead of my TP2 is because Android was still pretty new when I got it and I wanted to see the direction Android was going to take before I "jumped ship".

So far I'm really liking the direction Android is going and, in my opinion, Android has already passed WM in pretty much every area and it's only going to get better in the coming months/years.

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sure, i'd like that. we have 40 versions of windows 7 desktop os, ranging from starter to gigantor ultima darth greyskull edition---why not use that same strategy in our phones?

of course we're bashing the damn os, it does exactly the same thing the iphone does. you're missing the freakin' point which is the things we love about the old broken os is no more. how the hell do you expect us to embrace the very thing we loathe?

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So basically you want microsoft to never build a new mobile OS. You just want them to keep tweaking 6.5 forever? You've completely given up on the OS before it's even completed or shown outside of a couple early conferences. At least wait until reviewers get a hold of it before you freak out and overreact.

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Loyalty to a brand is idiotic. You use what's best and what works, and so far WM7 looks like $#!# compared to android and WM 6.5

As far as the guy who is saying this is purely a business move. How is coming out with a dumbass phone that can't do things the other big competitors on the market make any sense from a merketing perspective. You know what makes sense. Coming out with a better goddamn product and marketing the hell out of the fact that your phone can do everything the competitor can't. Like say, I don't know, Multi-tasking? Copy and Paste? Extra storage? Side loading of apps? File management? Customisability?

Next thing we'll be hearing is MS is banning hardware manufacturers from providing access to the batteries, because they wouldn't want us stupid ass users lessening our experience by attempting something like changing a battery.

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First of all, the copy and paste thing: http://twitter.com/thurrott/statuses/10593003663 but people will ignore this and continue to overreact.

Second. Multitasking, define multitasking. Extra storage? Why would you need it if the phone comes with 32gb or 64gb internal storage or more? File management is there. You just have to use the Zune software to do it supposedly (I still want to see this put to the test to confirm specifically what this means), not the best way but it works just fine with the Zune. How do you know how limited the customization will be? Just another instance of overreacting. Wait until reviewers get their hands on it, that will clear up a lot of this bullshit. Then once it's launched if you don't think the mod/hack community won't open that shit up you're crazy. There hasn't been anything announced worth freaking out and panicking over.

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I replied to the copy paste thing in the other thread, so I'll leave that there.


As in, can I run multiple run multiple third party apps at once? Short answer, no. Long answer: maybe some if we decide to let you.


Because I might need more than 32GB of storage maybe? Fact is, you don't know how much storage they're going to come with. Minimum req is 8, but what if I run out of space? Why can't I add more? I'm stuck with 16GB because that's the limit of technology right now, but when 32GB comes out I damn well want to be able to use that card. Any more storage I can get, I can use, and you better believe I want it. The fact is, I can do it now, so why won't I be able to with this new-fangled OS? How does it affect anybody's user experience, except the way removing it negatively affects mine?


So it's not there, despite your convoluted apologism.


Because I am literate. They've said no skinning of the OS, that's less customizable already. They said no side loading of apps, guess what that means? Less customization.


Point is, shouldn't have to. This is not the iPhone and MS should not be Apple.

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...as will I!
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Who said anything about loyalty. I use a winmo device at the moment because it allows me to do what I want and I'm just a small shove away from jumping ship to an Android or Linux based device.

If the new OS is locked and limits you the way the iPhone does then I'll find something else because I don't want an iPhone. If on the other hand the limits are only superficial and meant to keep my dad from messing up his phone while I can still "unlock it" (much as we do now with our phones) and exploit it to my heart's content then I'll be happy.

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The point of WP7 was to ADD on additional features, WHILE RETAINING old features that loyalist love about the phone's O/S. Instead MS decided to just screw with us and add features that seem nice at first then took away the stuff that separated WM6.5 from the iPhone.

And by multitasking I would prefer being able to open my gps program, minimize it, browse the web/bing to check out movie times, while streaming music on it, without closing each one and loading every time i want to use another app.

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Again... in the grand scheme of things from a business standpoint the wants and whims of most here are pretty insignificant. The sooner you understand that the easier itll be to see why they made the change.

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well, nooo. I'm not going to have the cool-aid today. You go ahead though! Enjoy!

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Cloning your competitor years after the fact with maybe 1 or 2 minor differences provides no compelling reason for people to switch to your platform. It's the very reason that the Zune brand has failed so miserably. Is it technically better? Yes, but not by enough to compell people to switch. Only thing windows phone has to differentiate it from iPhone is netflix, FM radio, and a massive lack of apps. Not enough to compel people to switch I would think.

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Sure I don't mind if they create a whole new OS, what I do mind though is that the new implementation lacks what the old currently has i.e. removable flash, copy/paste, file system access, multitasking and open platform for starters. They couldn't even clone the feature set of the current iPhone OS, they chose to run with something more primitive and doesn't support copy/paste. I'm supposed to be happy that they stole Apples ideology, attempted to cloned their business practices and botched the basic function that Windows is supposed to provide? Epic fail on their part IMO, it shouldn't even be called Windows at all. Everything that made this platform unique like a desktop computer is basically stripped away leaving some new shell of an OS.

For all the Apple bashing that goes on in these forums, I can't believe that more of you aren't as disgusted as I am. Some of you are even defending Microsoft--shame on you, we should be bashing them right now before release. Look what complaining did to the end of life of Windows XP. They caved over and over again for almost 18 additional months. All they seem to care about right now is the cell phone providers and not the end users. I can't wait until all you Microsoft "fanboys" find out the amount of apps that'll probably be rejected. We can see her lips through that burka or the carriers say, wah too much bandwidth--remove it from your app store and MS says, "yes sir!".

Welcome to the dark ages of fascist cell phone dictatorship...

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I went w/Windows only because of multi-tasking. The thought of not having it gives me a reason to seriously consider another platform. However, not being able to install to the card, and other issues are a big concern.

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No side-loading of apps, no multi-tasking, and especially no cut & paste...yep, My TP2 will be the last phone I ever own that runs a Microsoft OS.

What a joke. They should have built it from Singularity/Midori if they were going to do it over & do it right.

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I really think Microsoft is gambling really hard. They are doing what no one else in the industry was dumb enough to do. They copied Apple in every way almost in an attempt to capture the new consumer market...

On paper is sounds like a great idea. Apple has sold millions of them on one carrier and continues to sell them. By copying them with the ability to be on all carriers you might stand a chance at doing some real sales...

Problem is I don't think Microsoft has what Apple has. Microsoft can't come out with a "me too" device and get it to sell like hot cakes. Apple has a unique brand identity (cool, hip, and iconic) that Microsoft lacks. The core users like us who fuel Android* and Windows Mobile currently will drop Windows Phone 7 Series for Android or RIM. Microsoft has to get some serious traction in the consumer market for this to work. As they basically have to sell enough to replace us and to exceed us by a LARGE number. VERY VERY risky.

The argument that Microsoft has to ditch all the things we love, multi-tasking; storage cards; copy-paste; etc., to chase the consumer market is false. Google isn't having a problem chasing it and they have all of these features!

*Android is currently the fastest selling Smartphone OS in the US.

Microsoft has made a "me too" and I am very sure they will fail. If Apple allows the iPhone on more than just AT&T this June then MS is REALLY done.

Well said.