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KDmospd 07-07-2011 08:21 PM
Google Plus
 
If you have a Google + invite to send please PM me... Thanks...

Ok now for the poll... Who's looking forward to Google Plus?

Https://plus.google.com

https://plus.google.com/up/start/?co...gpcaz=b0ebf48a

KDmospd 07-08-2011 03:36 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
I guess the thread can be deleted. I have a Google Plus account and nobody seems to be interested in it here...

darren.wlsn1 07-08-2011 04:18 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDmospd (Post 2125738)
I guess the thread can be deleted. I have a Google Plus account and nobody seems to be interested in it here...
sooooo not true, tons of us are using it and love it over fb. may not be much traffic in this thread but were on it plus its not even "officially" out yet. i will vote but no choice there if your using it like "love it"

KDmospd 07-08-2011 04:50 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 2125753)
sooooo not true, tons of us are using it and love it over fb. may not be much traffic in this thread but were on it plus its not even "officially" out yet. i will vote but no choice there if your using it like "love it"
Sorry, created this before I got access... I'll change the poll...

What are you views, pros & cons?

darren.wlsn1 07-08-2011 04:56 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDmospd (Post 2125773)
Sorry, created this before I got access... I'll change the poll...

What are you views, pros & cons?
dont see any cons yet and pros are 10fold. no farmville/mafia wars/circles are great to limit who sees what, and tons of other things i like better. i like it most cause you can make it like your own little website posting about tweaking your specific device with peeps on same device.

shane6374 07-08-2011 05:23 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
I haven't had a ton of time to play on it the past few days, but I see a huge upside comparing it to fb. It's way more organized. The huddle is a great feature. I spent like 4 hours on it on launch day and had a "as fun as you can have on the net" evening playing on it.

eric12341 07-08-2011 05:29 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
nope ill stick to Facebook,im not too keen on google's large attempt to try to take over the world. they should've stayed a search engine and that business is suffering now since they've began unreasonably branching out to others.

swear0730 07-08-2011 06:17 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDmospd (Post 2125738)
I guess the thread can be deleted. I have a Google Plus account and nobody seems to be interested in it here...
I'm interested. I just didn't expect to see it in this forum!

If you can send me an invite please do so.
stevewear0730@gmail.com

swear0730 07-08-2011 06:22 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2125787)
nope ill stick to Facebook,im not too keen on google's large attempt to try to take over the world. they should've stayed a search engine and that business is suffering now since they've began unreasonably branching out to others.
Wait, I thought it was Facebook trying to take over the world LOL.

I love the idea of circles. Don't like my work stuff comingled with my social stuff and want to have my tech stuff separate from that.

I know people with multiple Facebook accounts and its a bit of a mess to handle. Plus I'd probably end up friending myself and then getting into an argument and unfriend myself. That would be a mess!

darren.wlsn1 07-08-2011 06:52 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2125787)
nope ill stick to Facebook,im not too keen on google's large attempt to try to take over the world. they should've stayed a search engine and that business is suffering now since they've began unreasonably branching out to others.
another pro. lol

eric12341 07-08-2011 11:39 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 2125815)
another pro. lol
maybe for the google addicts out there. I couldn't even get their +1 feature on this site to work it says my browser is incompatible WTF? its IE9 which is compatible with all web standards. I also get redirected to their mobile sites when I shouldn't be, google,and YouTube are the only sites that do this to me. this did not happen on my bros friends Android device that I helped him set up. so google is doing something to try to prevent other devices or browsers from getting the best of their services.

PS I think this should be moved out of the android discuss in section to get greater coverage and better votes.

darren.wlsn1 07-08-2011 11:46 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
works fine for me on firefox on android, not mobile view here. (user error)

eric12341 07-09-2011 12:20 AM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 2125902)
works fine for me on firefox on android, not mobile view here. (user error)
you said the keyword Android. somehow google is able to detect that I am on a wp7 device (even though im set to desktop mode) and as such either redirect me to a mobile site and say content not available on mobile,or just say not compatible with device. no other sites are doing this, I can view html5 videos perfectly on other sites while only spotty on YouTube.

gTen 07-09-2011 01:37 AM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2125787)
nope ill stick to Facebook,im not too keen on google's large attempt to try to take over the world. they should've stayed a search engine and that business is suffering now since they've began unreasonably branching out to others.
I don't think you are understanding how google works...they dont just "Branch out"..everything they do compliments their search engine business aka with ad sense..everything they do is focused on ad sense...its not unreasonable...

Quote:
Originally Posted by swear0730 (Post 2125808)
Wait, I thought it was Facebook trying to take over the world LOL.
They are all trying to take over the world..facebook just publicly anounces it while Google does it behind the scenes...

Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2125900)
maybe for the google addicts out there. I couldn't even get their +1 feature on this site to work it says my browser is incompatible WTF? its IE9 which is compatible with all web standards. I also get redirected to their mobile sites when I shouldn't be, google,and YouTube are the only sites that do this to me. this did not happen on my bros friends Android device that I helped him set up. so google is doing something to try to prevent other devices or browsers from getting the best of their services.

PS I think this should be moved out of the android discuss in section to get greater coverage and better votes.
Since when is IE9 compatible with all web standards? while IE9 is better complaint then its previous versions..its still behind the competition...

I mean look:

The HTML5 test - How well does your browser support HTML5?

Desktop IE9 gets a score of 130+5...my phone has almost 2x higher HTML5 compliance score...

Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2125909)
you said the keyword Android. somehow google is able to detect that I am on a wp7 device (even though im set to desktop mode) and as such either redirect me to a mobile site and say content not available on mobile,or just say not compatible with device. no other sites are doing this, I can view html5 videos perfectly on other sites while only spotty on YouTube.
Blame M$ here actually...they did not want to support WebM video which Google uses..all the other browsers support it...thus have no problem with youtube and HTML5....you can get the WebM plugin for your desktop IE9 from Google but for your phone there is not much that can be done until M$ supports it...

eric12341 07-09-2011 03:51 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2125928)
I don't think you are understanding how google works...they dont just "Branch out"..everything they do compliments their search engine business aka with ad sense..everything they do is focused on ad sense...its not unreasonable...

what about their driverless cars?

They are all trying to take over the world..facebook just publicly anounces it while Google does it behind the scenes...


their search engine is suffering because of it, nowhere near what it was like back when I was soph in HS. their translator isn't even as good anymore, everytime id type something in Spanish and put it in one to look it up Bing always provided the translation closest to what I meant

Since when is IE9 compatible with all web standards? while IE9 is better complaint then its previous versions..its still behind the competition...

I mean look:

The HTML5 test - How well does your browser support HTML5?

Desktop IE9 gets a score of 130+5...my phone has almost 2x higher HTML5 compliance score...

IE9 mobile was demonstrated to have the highest framerate for html5 out of all the default mobile browsers. video is on WMPU and pocketnow

Blame M$ here actually...they did not want to support WebM video which Google uses..all the other browsers support it...thus have no problem with youtube and HTML5....you can get the WebM plugin for your desktop IE9 from Google but for your phone there is not much that can be done until M$ supports it...
all html5 videos that I've tested playback fine,some in the Zune player. I found that it was the ad videos that would default to flash on YouTube
that pretty much sums it up. I also think this thread should be moved out of Android general and into off topic.

gTen 07-09-2011 04:47 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2126080)

what about their driverless cars?
For their Google Maps, which compliments their search..

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their search engine is suffering because of it, nowhere near what it was like back when I was soph in HS. their translator isn't even as good anymore, everytime id type something in Spanish and put it in one to look it up Bing always provided the translation closest to what I meant
How can it be not as good? it doesn't get worse..if you mean haven't improved much that is understandable but I doubt it just got worse..


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IE9 mobile was demonstrated to have the highest framerate for html5 out of all the default mobile browsers. video is on WMPU and pocketnow
First of all Frame rate for HTML5 has nothing to do with standards compatibility! ...just cause it does good on 1 test does not mean its compliant with HTML5 standards..there are over 400 tests for HTML5..IE9 failed over half of them..thats not web compliant...PS I did a test on Mobile FireFox 6 and got a score of 285+9 in HTML5Test

Second of all, It measures FPS of css 3d which the older versions of the browsers don't support yet, and little sites use it yet but its irrelevant in the end because M$ is not picking up WebCL yet..which will allow framerates of 10x higher then your used to now.


Third of all your competing unreleased software vs released software. Like the default iOS5's Safari beat IE9 on framerate, read it up on pocketnow..we will see how Ice cream sandwich default browser compares..

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all html5 videos that I've tested playback fine,some in the Zune player. I found that it was the ad videos that would default to flash on YouTube
There are multiple standards for HTML5 video..so sure if you went to sites that use H264 video and AAC/MP3 audio it would play fine..but those that are WebM, OGG/Theora, MPG4, PCM won't play fine...YouTube uses WebM for HTML5....hence why you have issues...ask M$ to support WebM and it will work wonders...

eric12341 07-09-2011 06:24 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2126090)
For their Google Maps, which compliments their search..



How can it be not as good? it doesn't get worse..if you mean haven't improved much that is understandable but I doubt it just got worse..
haven't been making improvements is just as bad as getting worse, especially since Bing is improving significantly by the day. I'll say some things in Spanish and put them in a comparison later



First of all Frame rate for HTML5 has nothing to do with standards compatibility! ...just cause it does good on 1 test does not mean its compliant with HTML5 standards..there are over 400 tests for HTML5..IE9 failed over half of them..thats not web compliant...PS I did a test on Mobile FireFox 6 and got a score of 285+9 in HTML5Test

Second of all, It measures FPS of css 3d which the older versions of the browsers don't support yet, and little sites use it yet but its irrelevant in the end because M$ is not picking up WebCL yet..which will allow framerates of 10x higher then your used to now.

it scores 97/100 on acid3 test tho, other browsers have gotten low to mid 90s cept for chrome and opera who were 100 but they didn't perform as such.


Third of all your competing unreleased software vs released software. Like the default iOS5's Safari beat IE9 on framerate, read it up on pocketnow..we will see how Ice cream sandwich default browser compares..
I saw that, they were going back n forth on framerate and IE9M came on top in subsequent tests at least this was on the WMPU article I saw on it. none are officially released yet so we'll see when they're out


There are multiple standards for HTML5 video..so sure if you went to sites that use H264 video and AAC/MP3 audio it would play fine..but those that are WebM, OGG/Theora, MPG4, PCM won't play fine...YouTube uses WebM for HTML5....hence why you have issues...ask M$ to support WebM and it will work wonders...
I figured out that my issue was that the videos with ads haven't been migrated to html5 yet which is why they still used the flash player. so far the html5 videos either played on the site or in the video player on my phone. I still haven't figured out how the hell they're able to detect im on a wp7 and redirect me to a less functional mobile site even tho im set to desktop mode and no other sites are doing it
you're quite knowledgeable about google you should work for them. sometimes I say these things to test you.

gTen 07-09-2011 07:07 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eric12341 (Post 2126111)
For their Google Maps, which compliments their search..

How can it be not as good? it doesn't get worse..if you mean haven't improved much that is understandable but I doubt it just got worse..
haven't been making improvements is just as bad as getting worse, especially since Bing is improving significantly by the day. I'll say some things in Spanish and put them in a comparison later
Personally I will tell you this, As far as translation goes..both are sub par translations. As far as search goes, Bing has improved A LOT and probably the 2nd best..but its still got ways to go to catch up to Google Search...as an example I know someone who is part of their Live Club..the one with the word games that you use Bing to solve..and most of the time using Google gives them more accurate answers :/

Not to mention don't forget Bing uses where people visit to rank their results..since Google is the biggest search engine, the top results of Bing tend to copy the results of Google..(M$ admitted to this back in feb)

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it scores 97/100 on acid3 test tho, other browsers have gotten low to mid 90s cept for chrome and opera who were 100 but they didn't perform as such.
now that is just M$ marketing talking..ACID3 has been released in 2008 and is semi outdated..until ACID4 is released HTML5 is the standard to test by...

That said most browsers pass with 97 or higher..

IE9 tests for 95 actually on ACID3 just tested it myself(and so does IE10)...only Desktop browsers that test in low/mid 90s are old browsers or outdated browsers..

Android tests for 93 but in honeycomb it get 100..


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I saw that, they were going back n forth on framerate and IE9M came on top in subsequent tests at least this was on the WMPU article I saw on it. none are officially released yet so we'll see when they're out
But again at end of the day I see people using WebGL over standard canvas as its more efficient..

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I figured out that my issue was that the videos with ads haven't been migrated to html5 yet which is why they still used the flash player. so far the html5 videos either played on the site or in the video player on my phone. I still haven't figured out how the hell they're able to detect im on a wp7 and redirect me to a less functional mobile site even tho im set to desktop mode and no other sites are doing it
They don't test what your using and redirect you...what happens is this..remember that HTML5 test site? they check if your browser supports certain features and when they see you don't it redirects you...its not targeting wp7 in specific...

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you're quite knowledgeable about google you should work for them. sometimes I say these things to test you.
As I said before..I have no interest in Google controlling everything....I tend to use Amazon Appstore over Google Appstore when I can, and I use FireFox for my secure stuff while Google Chrome just to surf...For my cellphone I use Opera/FireFox to surf...for mail I use Yahoo over Gmail..etc..

Aka I choose the product that works best for my needs..be it Google or not...

KDmospd 07-14-2011 03:27 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2126119)
for mail I use Yahoo over Gmail..etc..
I get the point you are making but Yahoo over Gmail? Really? Yahoo and hotmail are two email clients I wouldn't trust amy of my email.

PS, G+ is actually pretty good as a small group/personal friend basis. I'm loving it.

gTen 07-14-2011 04:01 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDmospd (Post 2127964)
I get the point you are making but Yahoo over Gmail? Really? Yahoo and hotmail are two email clients I wouldn't trust amy of my email.

PS, G+ is actually pretty good as a small group/personal friend basis. I'm loving it.
gmail actually reads your emails to target ads....its not human read..but still...

As for yahoo..they are the biggest mail client..whats wrong that?

y0himba 07-15-2011 09:21 AM
Re: Google Plus
 
I have almost stopped using Facebook and Twitter. I was a first adopter, of Google+ and absolutely enjoy it.

KDmospd 07-19-2011 02:09 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2127975)
gmail actually reads your emails to target ads....its not human read..but still...

As for yahoo..they are the biggest mail client..whats wrong that?
I like the new yahoo layout but I just wouldn't use it for my mail. I've seen so many accounts hacked on yahoo and hotmail. And I’ve received the most hijacked mail from yahoo and hotmail. Of course anything can be hacked but gmail has been pretty good so far.

Yes they may scan the emails to target ads (pain in the butt, I agree). Same as Facebook, and I'm sure every other email client. I won’t put my SS# in an email. I never put anything too personal in emails anyway. I say if google start sharing my pictures or other personal information through the search engines then that's when I’ll stop using it and will not place any more personal info on there, pics etc… That's exactly what I did with Facebook, I know they have a database that retains info but I deleted my pictures and won’t use their system again. I just don't like for every other joe nobody on the net to see my pictures/ conversations.

The biggest thing I hate about Facebook the most is that you can’t hide you profile picture. After that it would probably be that if someone sends you an invite they can see your posts even when you haven’t accepted them yet. Now that I think about it I think G+ may have the same Profile picture sharing issue… I must check that out… Bottom line, privacy should be default, public sharing, optional… for any online content.

Sorry for the rant…

gTen 07-19-2011 04:34 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDmospd (Post 2129745)
I like the new yahoo layout but I just wouldn't use it for my mail. I've seen so many accounts hacked on yahoo and hotmail. And I’ve received the most hijacked mail from yahoo and hotmail. Of course anything can be hacked but gmail has been pretty good so far.

Yes they may scan the emails to target ads (pain in the butt, I agree). Same as Facebook, and I'm sure every other email client. I won’t put my SS# in an email. I never put anything too personal in emails anyway. I say if google start sharing my pictures or other personal information through the search engines then that's when I’ll stop using it and will not place any more personal info on there, pics etc… That's exactly what I did with Facebook, I know they have a database that retains info but I deleted my pictures and won’t use their system again. I just don't like for every other joe nobody on the net to see my pictures/ conversations.

The biggest thing I hate about Facebook the most is that you can’t hide you profile picture. After that it would probably be that if someone sends you an invite they can see your posts even when you haven’t accepted them yet. Now that I think about it I think G+ may have the same Profile picture sharing issue… I must check that out… Bottom line, privacy should be default, public sharing, optional… for any online content.

Sorry for the rant…


Personally I have been using Yahoo for emails for over 10 years..never got hacked once :/..I am not saying that Gmail is bad..I just never had a problem with Yahoo..and I get emails with passwords for business related stuff sometimes in my personal email..and don't really feel comfortable with that being parsed for any reason...

CozBoogie 07-19-2011 06:53 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
While I enjoy G+, I'm just waiting for Google to ruin it by trying to integrate to many options and feature into....by trying to integrate it into my searches, etc. While I think taking an integrated approach can work and even produce positive results, I worry that Google will just take it too far.

late,
Coz

three west 07-19-2011 08:16 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CozBoogie (Post 2129859)
While I enjoy G+, I'm just waiting for Google to ruin it by trying to integrate to many options and feature into....by trying to integrate it into my searches, etc. While I think taking an integrated approach can work and even produce positive results, I worry that Google will just take it too far.

late,
Coz
yeah, I see they're forcing integration with picasa web to even sign up

CozBoogie 07-20-2011 11:16 AM
Re: Google Plus
 
Yeah, I kinda get the feeling that Google may be following in the footsteps of Apple....encouraging and requiring that you must use multiple Google products to get the full benefits of just one.

late,
Coz

KDmospd 07-20-2011 03:18 PM
Re: Google Plus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CozBoogie (Post 2130070)
Yeah, I kinda get the feeling that Google may be following in the footsteps of Apple....encouraging and requiring that you must use multiple Google products to get the full benefits of just one.

late,
Coz
True... like how they did youtube

rajraju131 07-26-2011 02:30 AM
Re: Google Plus
 
Love the idea of circles but Don't like my work stuff with my social stuff and want to have my tech stuff separate from that.


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