No Nexus to VZW!!!
 

I guess all of the people waiting on the Nexus should start looking at the Incredible or at another device:

In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.


Found here: http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot....tnerships.html

Nexus One For Verizon Canceled
 

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hahaha, yeah sold it beginning of feb. not that i regret it, but that is pretty lame for google to say a phone is comming out and then to not give any word what so ever but then one day say "oh, guess not, we got lazy, no n1"

i am going incredible all the way, it is a superior phone according to all the reviews i have read. i know i am still support googles os, but i guess they didn't anger me all that much. kinda had a feeling this was going to happen when i heard about the incredible, seemed way to odd for two phones with nearly the exact same specs to hit the same carrier. honestly other than looks (and quicker os updates) what does the n1 offer that the incredible doesn't? its a shame

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I don't see why they shouldn't offer both. Buying the Nexus One without a subsidy would be the preference of some people since you don't have to renew your contract. I just wonder if Google and Verizon couldn't come to an agreement on things.

The Incredible supposedly has better multitouch support than the Nexus One.

I'm sure once its unlocked and custom ROMs can be made for it, there won't be much of a difference. Google is at least supporting older devices officially more than Microsoft ever did (or at least the hardware manufacturers are). The Nexus One might get official updates faster but since the Incredible is a new device, HTC should be willing to update it to the next few versions of Android.

As of now, I don't believe there's a way to turn off SenseUI. I prefer the stock Android homescreens with widgets over Sense. I'm sure custom ROMs will change that though.

Wrote up a quick article for the homepage too: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2010/04/26/n...ne-on-verizon/

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Buying the Incredible outright would be the same thing. No contract renewal. I agree that it doesn't make much sense to carry both the incredible and the N1. They are the same phone, other than Sense UI, on board storage, and a better camera on the Incredible. I just wonder what this will mean for the Sprint version. Sprint has confirmed it for their network. I hope this doesn't create a setback for that.

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but one could also buy the incredible at full retail and not have to renew also so thats really a moot point.

according to android central vzw rejected the n1 mainly because of the trackball issues. article here:

http://www.androidcentral.com/google...edible-instead

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I have heard that it is possible to not use Sense on the Incredible by downloading + using another theme (I have heard a lot about helix). I am not sure about a 'native' Android OS, but from what I have seen in other forums I think it can be done.

I am in agreement with most people here that the Incredible seems like the better phone, I know the Nexus has a couple things in the specs that are better than the Incredible, but I don't remember them being to much of a big deal. I thing the support being offered for the Incredible vs the Nexus is the dealbreaker! I also see no reason why they couldn't carry both (like Mindfrost mentioned...a disagreement???), but I think the Nexus would be overlooked by more than a few for the Incredible.

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With roms they are basically the same phone, the difference is the camera which the incredible is better and where the n1 wins is with world phone capabilities. When I'm in Europe for 3 weeks this summer I get to keep my same phone. If the incredible doesn't have that, that's a big downside for some. Those are the only main differences.

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well if what is said is true of google paying the manufacturers adwords and appstore revenues I don't see why they wouldn't.

That said it isn't efficient for Google to sell N1 due to incredible being same thing but no 2 ETFs..it would be a waist of money.

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Google, as of right now, have decided not to make a CDMA version of the n1. Its as simple as that. Nothing to do with subsidies, it simply won't work on their networks.

This also means it won't be available on Sprint either. If i'm right in thinking both of those networks don't support GSM.

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The CDMA version has already passed through the FCC. And Sprint has already confirmed it for their network. Not saying it won't be cancelled, but how often do phones go through the FCC, and not get released (I'm curious, I don't know the answer to this question)?

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You're wrong, besides the fact that a cdma version is already made and passes FCC, this just doesn't make sense for them, plus I'm reading the Bloomberg article as we speak and they say a sprint version is still coming as well as vodaphone uk will start selling it April 30th. Vodaphone owns Verizon.

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Vodaphone is GSM. Verizon is CDMA. The Verizon version of the N1 wouldn't work for the Vodaphone network.

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Well glad I'm wrong if this is the case, I'm only reading whats "Currently offered" on googles n1 website.

I've also read that they refused to offer a CDMA version to Verizon because verizon wanted to lock it down, and that goes against Google's "open source" model.

Either way, hopefully it will be offered, but passing FCC doesn't mean it will be offered, as clearly is the case with Verizon.

Again, hope I'm wrong on all fronts.

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Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

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On paper, the N1 on Verizon should have been the same phone as the T-Mobile and AT&T version. The only difference would be CDMA vs GSM. Not sure if Verizon wanted to "lock down" the device, and thus the device was pulled.

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Well, simply put, its sort of similar to the Motorola article way back on here that states if they want to install ROMS and the like to buy other HTC phones.

Locking it down is like, from what I gather as I'm no expert, involves a few things:

1. The inability to take the phone to any other network.
2. Locking down features or capabilities on the phone thus making you pay a fee for any additional software you might want on it (Bell here in canada was notorious for not allowing ringtones via USB on older CDMA phones, thus forcing you to buy ringtones from them, or the very least use your Data to download them, in essence costing you money).
3. Maybe locking it down tight so you'd have to crack it in order for any ability of installing 3rd party roms. How hard is it to crack? who knows.

Put simply, locking down a phone allows a cell provider to dictate what goes on your phone and how, not the other way around. Terrible tactics.

This is only an opinion I have of what locked down is and what I've experienced. Doesn't mean that is what it means or what they were planning for it.

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I know, just letting it be known vzw and Google don't neccsarily have bad blood. If vodaphone owns vzw and their still going to sell the nexus on the 30th, I personally think its because they just got the incredible and vzw knows the US model for selling phones is with the carrier, mostly overseas do they like buying directly from the phone vendor. personally I like buying from the vendor because that will give me more options for phones. I'm not the person who's going to try to get sprint to give me a free tp2 or anything like that.

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OK...I understand this part and (buisness-wise) understand why carriers would do this.

Hmmmm....OK I think if this is 'locked-down' I may have been thinking of flashing or rooting incorrectly. I thought that was the manufacturer's (Samsung, HTC...) doing and carriers would have some say in the apps/capabilities allowed/pre-loaded. (the capabilities + pre-loaded apps is more what I thought locked-down meant) I also think VZW pretty much learned their lesson about restricting a device's functions with the GPS fiasco a year or so ago.

Thanks for the info, I guess we will just have to wait and see how things look when we get them!!

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This is a good point. Maybe VZW wanted to carry it in their stores with subsidized contract pricing?

I know in some parts of Europe, it is illegal for a cell provider to "lock down" a phone, and every phone sold should have the ability to move to different providers with no hassle should the customer choose to.

Maybe the contract issue was the sticky point. Who knows.

Either way, if the HTC Incredible lives up to the hype and is updated the same way the Nexus One is and will continue to be, there is no real issue here.

However if HTC/Verizon stop updating the phone in efforts to have people buy new ones, this won't be good.

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As an android user I'm just glad vzw is getting a high end android. Pretty soon all this fragmentation will be put to an end with froyo then you guys don't understand the upgraded apps we're about to have once froyo, the incredible, and the evo launch, ohhhh I can't wait. Developers are about to get cracking especially since android released the sdk months ago for froyo.

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For instance, Bell's HTC Touch Diamond here in canada has its own GUI. Remember the Text 2016 problem with Diamond phones? Go to the HTC website and they had periodic new ROM's/Fixes for a bunch of different carriers. Bells? No update/fix to be seen. Heck Bell's section on HTC's website is rather slim, telling you to contact Bell Directly.

Bell is terrible when it comes to locking things down. Thats why this community, and the 3rd party roms that go with it, are great.

I think most purchases of new phones here in Canada will go the way of GSM now, nexus one or not. There's no point in buying a CDMA version as it gives providers advantages where GSM gives the advantage to the customer.

I'm not very familiar with U.S. CDMA provider models, but here in Canada, if you bought a CDMA phone from Bell or Telus, that phone is not really yours but there's. You may own it, but you can't take it anywhere else. With GSM its pretty much impossible to do that as your info is contained on the SIM card, not onboard hardware that cant be changed.

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It would be nice if we could have that here in the US.

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Agreed...

My first taste of a GSM phone was when my cousin came here from Europe with a phenomenal looking Vodaphone (largest screen I'd seen at the time). He put in a Rogers SIM card into it and boom, welcome to Canada.

Definitely something you couldn't do with CDMA. Or at least from what I gather.

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You are correct, except for phones like the TP2 which are world phones, but 98% of cdma phones will only work with their network.

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Haha... I suspect that you're in the HTC fan camp because the Moto Droid is a powerhouse of a phone. I know it's not a snapdragon, but component wise it's no stray dog.

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I'm an android fan, Droid to also as long as it meets froyos standards, which I'm sure it does. I just want the updated apps and more apps. Droid is old now, I mentioned new stuff which will bring new and more customers, then they will want to create more apps. Honestly I'm glad Droid is here because that brought hella users to android and it is a high end android.

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Oh well thats life..lol