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Touch Pro ROM Update on the way + GPS Fix?
Posted: 23 Jan 2009 01:56 PM PST
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We caught word just a few days ago about a HTC Diamond ROM update for Sprint and worldwide, but now it look like the Touch Pro is getting ready for one too.





Evidently, Alexandr Skaryd from XDA had a conversation with HTC Europe about the GPS lag problem. The crux of the convo is below:

Dear Mr. Skaryd I just wanted to get back to you in order to see if you have gotten the GPS working better. I would also like to inform you that there will be a ROM upgrade available in the near future (1.19). Please feel free to get back to us at any time if you have any further questions or queries. Kind Regards Dave Montanya HTC Europe

The bigger news is that HTC appears to be aware of this GPS lag and one can hope that this upcoming ROM addresses this problem.
In case you don't feel like waiting though, head over to M're undefined , who has a very detailed post explaining a "hack" you can do to improve your GPS. Not suprisingly, it partially involves turning off aGPS, amongst other things. Check it out, it seems to be working for folks.
[ ppcgeeks & pocketnow]


if i posted in the wrong area i'm sorry

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HOLLY **** IT ALL MAKES SENS NOW!!!!!!!!

Ok, I have the ***** (VZW) version of the phone... We dont have aGPS! OUr phones are SPOT ON for GPS. I look at all the posts and say WTF are people talking about. This is more accurate than anything I have ever used.

Well, its the aGPS screwing the rest of the world! Holly crappers!

"In case you don't feel like waiting though, head over to M're undefined , who has a very detailed post explaining a "hack" you can do to improve your GPS. Not suprisingly, it partially involves turning off aGPS, amongst other things. Check it out, it seems to be working for folks."


BORED DO NOT TURN ON AGPS FOR NEXT VZW GPS FIX. IT WILL BREAK THE ACCURACY!!!



Damn, ever have an epiphany! Hahahah alooks like VZW screwed us but not really ;c)

Lets not turn this into VZW vs the world. I am simply telling you why I nver understood peoples *****ing about GPS. Its because you are all using aGPS and us on VZW are not! DING FRIES ARE DONE!

WOW! It makes sense now.


OP, cant thanks with the button because I am a very active member and they limit me and my ability to do good things like thank people when they find articles like this......

Thanks man! You just brought clarity to all my GPS questions!!!!!!!

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I would love to see this happen rather soon....

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My aGPS is already disabled and I still have this lag. That said, my GPSMODE is 4 and according to this :http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=28049

That considered the most inaccurate..so I am going to test modes 1 and 2...

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I feel like the abused wife that keeps going back for more. I have tried so many things, to get rid of the gps lag. This better work or else......:violent2:

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What phone?

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Umm, the one showing below my name..... I've been using this tweak posted since I got the TP and it's not made any measurable difference. And before you say it is only for phones that are not on the phones intended network...you should read about it again. Either way, don't count on it solving the problem. If it does, great. Just saying that it has not for me.

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What the ??????? I just asked what phone you are one?

Did you see that before you started freeakin on me?



But whatever, doesnt matter. VZW GPS is awesome thanks to bored!

http://www.scottcrosler.com/images/lllboredlllGPS.jpg

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I have Verizon and Sprint's Touch Pro's and there's no difference between the performance of GPS lag between the 2 :-)

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Well thats good to know that its not only us Verizon users that are dealing with this lag.

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No lag at all.....

NONE. I swear.... NONE!

It works like you would not beleive. Well, with TOM TOM 7 and live search.

I did start experimenting today with OCN2008 and noted that ti loagged about maybe 100 feet behind at some points....

But the other two apps are solid.

But I guess if that you consider the fact I never used OCN2008 before and not sure what its initial lag looks like then.... Yeah... I still think I have no lag at all.

I wonder if I can make a video for this somewho? Maybe I di have lag and dont realize it? But man, I never had such accuracy before.... Vouge was always way off, titan was good. this thing is great.

Anways, if you can help me quantify what I see that owuld be cool. I want to know if this lag is perceptual or not for me. BUt for now I see no lag at all. And that was on three of them....

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FYI, take a chill pill because I wasn't "freakin" on you. That said, it does state exactly what my phone and carrier is so the question was kind of out of place. Also, I was just clarifying it to you and letting you know how it was working with me. There are some stuff in the thread about this tweak that at first suggest it only works for cross carrier phones which is why I said what I did. Wasn't meant to be anything bad towards you. Someone seems a bit sensitive.

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Honestly, I tried EVERY SINGLE method on the Internet regarding the GPS lag on my Sprint Touch Pro, none of them works, none of the app shows a difference what-so-ever, even with different radios and ROMs!

HTC has to fix it, my friend's Fuze has less than 1 second of lag where I have at least 2 to 3 seconds lag under same app. My theory is that disabling the CDMA's FM part screwed up the GPS somehow.

As if the video performance isn't enough already, and I paid $400 for it? Geez HTC, come on...

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Yes, very sensitive. Im a sensitive guy. Chics dig that big time! Does that make me bad? Am I still a worthy in your eyes know that you know I am very sensitive?

But anyways. Thanks for claryfing! I now see what you are saying now that you actually expalined what you meant.... Although, I am sure you were short on time you could have just said that to begin with. But hey, does it really matter? I guess only to me and not so much yourself?

Once again thanks for clarifying.

BTW: Sorry I didint see your phone ver on the pers info... You may not have known this before but not everyone keeps that up to date. Kudos to you! You did a great job on that!

PS: I cried when I watched Titanic!

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Thats interesting... The fuze is GSM, less lag.

I see no to little lag and we have differnt chips and processors, memory, etc. Isint the GPS integrated on the main processor or is it somewhere else?

Tearing down my pro now to look at the guts. Post is in forum if you want to see what an XV6850 looks like.

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From what I know, the GPS, the FM and the Bluetooth is in the same chip, not the processor.

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LOL!!

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Well then it would stand to reason that we on the XV6850 dont have the FM CHIP at all I was told... Then we must have a differnt GPS too then? Differnt rev of the chip.

Maybe thats why I see no lag? Possibility here? This is got me thiking....

One person said he saw lag on his 6850 but... Welll... I dont.

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Glad I could I could make you smile.

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Thing is, nobody can confirm if the VZW's TP has a different gut than the rest of the CDMA world (except RAM size and keyboard).

I remember there was a post about those three things are in the same physical chip. Then again, if VZW decided to order something without FM, just like the rest of the CDMA world, HTC has to get a different chip, if not, a different design and that involves a lot of redesigning, this and that, which can be costly.

From a business stand point, minimum modification (GSM radio replaced by CDMA counter-parts) and left the rest core hardware in uniform, and leave the customization in the software part makes more sense than go with the hardware route.

My theory was, by disabling the FM radio, which is part of the GPS and BT chip, it somehow affected the performance. However it is possible that HTC know this issue, and quietly and secretly worked out with the manufacturer with that chip, with minimum change and quietly replaced them in the newer batch of phones.

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Untill now... I tore my spare one down and have posted pics. Have not had time to compare them with the others but plan too soon. Not tonight though...

Check out the thread here:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54819

I dont have all the hi res up yet. Taken with 7 meg camera and at full res you can see the model numbers very clearly.

I will post the hi res one soon.... They are freakin huge though!

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Well i never took my phone apart really, so I can't tell.

I guess it's just a mystery to be solved...

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No, I am saying that others have tore apart the Sprint Pro... We need to just compare the pics and the chips now to find out.



No more sure than you so dont get me wrong at all. Thats why I tore it down. Sick and tired of specualting......

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Got cha... well let's see whomever has opened their Sprint TP come and take a look, because if we can prove that it was the hardware change that caused this, and they didn't notify us...

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I even got the links to the Sprint Pro teardown in the thread. Making this real easy for us ;c)


If I dont I will copy them over. May be in another therad... Hold on.... Let me see.


I also got the 7 meg pics ready for upping. They are nice! The 6 meg pics where a little dark before we realzied that if took a desk lamp and used it we could get much better pics...... DOOUUUHHHH!!!! How did I miss that one. No biggies the 6 meg pics are just the case and housing removed the important ones of the chip are very good!

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Ok chip is the RAM!!!

GPS seems to be on process like I thought! Well per teh breakdwon diagram here : http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...down+touch+pro

The diagram shows GPS is on processor... Not stand alone. Am I looking at it wrong. Please look and tell mw what you think.

Diffierent chip, diffent GPS?
So if you think you see lag on a VZW pro post your a response please. If you dont see lag also let us know!

Also, no one yet complained of lag on our device. Well exceopt the post that said they saw lag... ahahahah But you kno what I mean.

bored therad would be rife with complaints of lag but none there....

Hence, I am pretty sure the lag does not exist. Except for maybe a few cases over all I woudl say no.

I am just going off what I observer and have no way to quantify this.

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I'd be very interested to know if you can replace the ram.

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Yeah, but lets bring that talk to my thread please...

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54819

This will get out of GPS discussion quickly if we go on in here about the RAM ;c)

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Guess my information was incorrect after all, and I was looking for that diagram! Thanks man!

Looks like it could be a soft/hardware issue ...

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Thank you! Thats what I am trying to say!!!! Diff hardware = differnt results!

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Silly me ;)

Anyway hope HTC fixes this issue, among many other issues (VIDEO PERFORMANCE.)

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heheheh... yeah, I hear the vid perf complaint alot. I never use it much. Just more of a uiltiy to put in my pocket for RDC and email.

I would ask you what you see wrong but I will go google instead of muddying up the thread.

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I have disabled loging in the advance config, and soft reset, but when I check GPS settings again, its back to login again...plus I have removed the path for login too.

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Appreciate the heads up, but 1.19, isn't that for GSM based models? Concerned only because this is posted on the CDMA portion of the threads/forum and wanted to confirm.

-CC

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Hell my Sprint TP is dead on accurate and finds me in less than 4 seconds most the time what more can you ask for?

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I think most people here are getting confused as to whether we are talking about a 3rd dimensional issue (it being able to accurately pin-point your standing location) or a 4th dimensional issue (it showing your location accurately but lagging and and showing where you were 4-5 seconds ago.) 3rd dimensionally they should all be extremely accurate...I know mine is! 4th dimensionally (time) it shows on screen that I am passing a street that I went by about 4-5 seconds before thus killing your moving map accuracy. My friend's Verizon Touch Pro and my Sprint Touch Pro were held side by side and they both were about 4-5 seconds delayed. A buddy in North Carolina has the Fuze and is coming to visit in a week or so, so I will be able to test his against mine then. From what I hear it is an issue affecting Touch Pros across the board.

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Just a point of reference here:

I use OCN8.

With external BTooth receiver no lag in distance/time. Virtually Zero.

With built in GPS (VZW w/Bored fix) 4-5 sec lag in distance/time

So it's def not the software IMHO.

VZW TP & OCN8 works well enough that I get plenty of notice before a turn. OCN8 reminds you well before a turn (almost annoying incessant chatter!) It's when I miss my turn that it takes about a block before it realizes it. This doesn't happen with ext GPS.

Still gotta say I still use Bored's fix over the external. It works good enough to get where I'm going. Just don't miss a turn or you'll have to go an extra block.:error:

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scott u need to lay off the caffeine man...