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anthony67 04-13-2009 03:05 PM
Sprint 4G Data
 
We all know that 4G is on the way and Sprint is leading the way with it's WIMAX (Clear) coverage. Here is a video of Sprint's new 3G/4G air card in action.
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/vide...=1#19330081001

What surprised me the most is the upload speed. Just imagine how sweet it will be on a PPC......enjoy!! :headbang:

russianmafioso 04-13-2009 04:29 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anthony67 (Post 845930)
We all know that 4G is on the way and Sprint is leading the way with it's WIMAX (Clear) coverage. Here is a video of Sprint's new 3G/4G air card in action.
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/vide...=1#19330081001

What surprised me the most is the upload speed. Just imagine how sweet it will be on a PPC......enjoy!! :headbang:
Personally, i think calling this 4G is kind of a sham. Think about what 4G LTE has to offer and then compare what WiMax offers. Compare the two speeds and tell me that they're really comprable. Not to mention the fact that things like HSDPA can deliver similar speeds.

delawaresace 04-13-2009 07:15 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russianmafioso (Post 846143)
Personally, i think calling this 4G is kind of a sham. Think about what 4G LTE has to offer and then compare what WiMax offers. Compare the two speeds and tell me that they're really comprable. Not to mention the fact that things like HSDPA can deliver similar speeds.
I'd love to compare the two. What carrier in the U.S. has LTE right now so i can see for my self?

neodorian 04-13-2009 07:33 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russianmafioso (Post 846143)
Personally, i think calling this 4G is kind of a sham. Think about what 4G LTE has to offer and then compare what WiMax offers. Compare the two speeds and tell me that they're really comprable. Not to mention the fact that things like HSDPA can deliver similar speeds.
The problem is that I never actually see those speeds over HSDPA. It almost seems like those Comcast ads telling you that you are paying for 10 megabit downstream but the most you ever pull is 6 megabit. I think real world performance trumps potential speeds.

But yes, you are right, LTE can theoretically go much faster. I just have yet to see it offered anywhere while I can use Wimax right now here in town. My main beef with Wimax is that I still have to pay for my home ISP so it doesn't make sense for me to pay for DSL at home and Wimax for my laptop on those occasions where I can't find Wifi. I used Xohm for a few months but currently I just fire up WMWifi when I need to connect since I already pay for 3G data.

anthony67 04-13-2009 07:53 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by neodorian (Post 846526)
But yes, you are right, LTE can theoretically go much faster.
Wimax or Clear has been tested at a steady 40-50 meg and they have pushed it to 70 meg. An upgrade here and one there and 100 meg is not out of the question. Last I looked, LTE was to run about the same.

russianmafioso 04-14-2009 02:50 AM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by delawaresace (Post 846496)
I'd love to compare the two. What carrier in the U.S. has LTE right now so i can see for my self?
Right now Verizon is running test trials in certain markets... and ATT is building their network as we speak. The real problem is, you can all talk about how WiMax has launched as a 4G technology, but its not being pushed at 4G speeds and its only available in Balitmore...:angry7: Which is not even in the top 10 biggest cities in the nation(its actually #20):???:.

Not to mention that it will only be used by ONE carried, Sprint and its being sold under the name Xohm?? Not to mention the fact that We all know WiMax is clearly slower than real 4G(LTE), which everyone else will be using.

Quote:
Originally Posted by neodorian (Post 846526)
The problem is that I never actually see those speeds over HSDPA. It almost seems like those Comcast ads telling you that you are paying for 10 megabit downstream but the most you ever pull is 6 megabit. I think real world performance trumps potential speeds.

But yes, you are right, LTE can theoretically go much faster. I just have yet to see it offered anywhere while I can use Wimax right now here in town. My main beef with Wimax is that I still have to pay for my home ISP so it doesn't make sense for me to pay for DSL at home and Wimax for my laptop on those occasions where I can't find Wifi. I used Xohm for a few months but currently I just fire up WMWifi when I need to connect since I already pay for 3G data.
Well, the thing is... right now WiMax doesnt go that fast. Its fast, but its nothing close to what LTE is going to be pushing. To give you an idea, ATT will be pushing LTE through their set top boxes for homes. So people can get Uverse-like quality through LTE. LTE's speeds have been proven to be ridiculously fast but the real question will remain what speed will carriers put on it?

Deimoss 04-14-2009 03:43 AM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
I'm not sure it makes sense to be comparing an established service to a theoretical service that has yet to be deployed. Personally it sounds like a bunch of hopeful promises, but no one knows which will catch on as a standard model.

sorge 04-14-2009 11:06 AM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
If I can download a sound in 5 seconds, I'm happy....I don't think the reason pages can take a while to render on a PPC is because of a slow connection, I think its the phone itself. LTE or Wimax won't matter unless the hardware can keep up with it.

russianmafioso 04-14-2009 12:04 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Here is your proof that HSPA is faster than "4G" Sprint... Its a 3.5G service thats just as fast as sprints claim to "4G".

http://brightsideofnews.com/news/200...prints-4g.aspx

Negrito 04-14-2009 12:07 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sorge (Post 847760)
If I can download a sound in 5 seconds, I'm happy....I don't think the reason pages can take a while to render on a PPC is because of a slow connection, I think its the phone itself. LTE or Wimax won't matter unless the hardware can keep up with it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deimoss (Post 847418)
I'm not sure it makes sense to be comparing an established service to a theoretical service that has yet to be deployed. Personally it sounds like a bunch of hopeful promises, but no one knows which will catch on as a standard model.

Exactly!


Quote:
Originally Posted by russianmafioso (Post 847843)
Here is your proof that HSPA is faster than "4G" Sprint... Its a 3.5G service thats just as fast as "4G".

http://brightsideofnews.com/news/200...prints-4g.aspx


Thats Italy. Im pretty sure 90% of us live in the states, or at least North America.

russianmafioso 04-14-2009 12:10 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Negrito (Post 847853)
Exactly!
Not really, they're selling you something as 4G when it in reality is not even close. Considering the fact that 3.5G GSM Standards like HSPA are JUST as fast if not FASTER.

conflipper 04-14-2009 12:10 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
look at the life of each one. HSPA has been around how long? WiMax how long? you are looking at something that has matured into a great speeds, to something that hasnt even hit mainstream at this time. So it "might" be faster in some areas, but at the same time, look at this question again, once WiMax has had time to grow.

MiltonPro 04-14-2009 12:45 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Its all a marketing strategy. Sprint wants to claim as the first carrier to roll-out 4G technology(12MB is the max, yes HSDPA is at 14MB) But infact LTE has not finished.

Once its done. Yes, 100mb d/l speeds, yahdi,yahda, yahda. Both Verizon(CDMA) and AT&T(GSMA) will share the same network for the first time ever. Options to get i-phones and Bolds over to CDMA. Excluding Sprint for now, they are keeping their options open:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/0...open-with-lte/


Its like Sprint now: "Largest and most dependable 3G network in America"

Ahh.... no not really, only largest in square footage for coverage. Verizon has the upper hand in subscribers and depedability..

Cities to get 4G next aside from B-more in 2009

Atlanta/Honolulu/Charlotte/Las Vegas/Chicago/Philadelphia/Dallas/Portland/Fort Worth/Seattle

Sprint also expects to launch service in multiple markets in 2010 including Boston, Houston, New York, San Francisco and Washington, D.C.

Its all Marketing. Dan is a smart, smart man. Whose to blame him...

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-interest.aspx

mikelsbid 04-14-2009 01:07 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiltonPro (Post 847937)
Its all a marketing strategy.

Its like Sprint now: "Largest and most dependable 3G network in America"

Ahh.... no not really, only largest in square footage for coverage. Verizon has the upper hand in subscribers and depedability..
You lost me with the square footage remark. Should we not regard coverage area as the extent of size of the network? Knowing I will not need to roam to another provider is important for some is it not? Knowing I can get 3g speeds oustside of the highest populated areas is important to some.

I am not disagreeing with you it is marketing, but to me the actual landscape is the real feature someone should market, not how many users are on the network. I like being able to roll down the highway and still get 3G speeds, while my friend leaves the city limits with his Iphone and has no 3G. Extreme case I know. :)

MiltonPro 04-14-2009 01:21 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikelsbid (Post 847981)
You lost me with the square footage remark. Should we not regard coverage area as the extent of size of the network? Knowing I will not need to roam to another provider is important for some is it not? Knowing I can get 3g speeds oustside of the highest populated areas is important to some.

I am not disagreeing with you it is marketing, but to me the actual landscape is the real feature someone should market, not how many users are on the network. I like being able to roll down the highway and still get 3G speeds, while my friend leaves the city limits with his Iphone and has no 3G. Extreme case I know. :)
Good point, believe me I am a fan of Sprint for years. But the truth is that while more Verizon satellites hover over larger/more poulated cities. Sprint is spending time covering areas in Montana, South and North Dakota ect....
So yes, the few costumers there will enjoy 3G just like you and I. But I still dont get service in alot basements, metro stations(DC area),ect....
So you tell me whats more important for you.

mikelsbid 04-14-2009 01:31 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Great point, our hope is each customer knows what they get with each.
My tie in to 4G, I imagine the same will hold true for the the future 4G networks. Each provider has their benefits, myself I am a sprint fanboy. I like the netowrk, like the feautres, and happen to live in Chicago so I am also excited for the 4G rollout (this year) , I won't speculate as to when the LTE netowrks roll out here as that is like guessing when Verizon will bring FIOS to your town! No one knows. Or When ATT will offer you full Uverse coverage.

I should not make it sound like Sprint is crystal clear on their deployments, or VZ and ATT are not, but as a Chicagoland customer that is my current vantage point! I would assume people all around the US have different views.

MiltonPro 04-14-2009 01:44 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Sadly, but true. I am the same way in my area. Great service and EVDO just about everywhere I go. Not the same for others, elsewhere.

Waiting on 4G myself, I little diappointed it rolled out in Baltimore MD, but will skip Wash. DC for the cities to get it this year. We are only 30 miles apart. oh well..

sorge 04-14-2009 01:58 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Like it was said before, HSPA is a completely matured technology, WiMax is new. There are already upgrades to the Wimax (standard or technology or whatever you'd call it) that would increase speeds a whole lot. And you'll have fall back on their Rev. A network, it sounds like a winner for me.

Wimax also have the prospect to offer Boardband internet over a large, less populated area with slower speeds. I think its something like 31 miles with slower speeds over distance, and with the right equipment people who only had dialup could get decent speeds.

You also can't compare Italy to the United States, its just like mass transit systems, in a small country you can have everything interconnected rather easily, but the US is huge.

johndeere92 04-14-2009 02:24 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russianmafioso (Post 847372)
Right now Verizon is running test trials in certain markets... and ATT is building their network as we speak. The real problem is, you can all talk about how WiMax has launched as a 4G technology, but its not being pushed at 4G speeds and its only available in Balitmore...:angry7: Which is not even in the top 10 biggest cities in the nation(its actually #20):???:.

Not to mention that it will only be used by ONE carried, Sprint and its being sold under the name Xohm?? Not to mention the fact that We all know WiMax is clearly slower than real 4G(LTE), which everyone else will be using.



Well, the thing is... right now WiMax doesnt go that fast. Its fast, but its nothing close to what LTE is going to be pushing. To give you an idea, ATT will be pushing LTE through their set top boxes for homes. So people can get Uverse-like quality through LTE. LTE's speeds have been proven to be ridiculously fast but the real question will remain what speed will carriers put on it?
But think about why Sprint's EVDO Rev A is so much faster than AT&Ts 3G, or at least it is where I live. It's because Sprint has a much smaller user base than AT&T and Verizon. So even though your so called "real" 4G (LTE) will be potentially faster, the actually speeds will be slower with more users sucking up the bandwidth.

Hafrust 04-14-2009 02:30 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiltonPro (Post 848073)
Sadly, but true. I am the same way in my area. Great service and EVDO just about everywhere I go. Not the same for others, elsewhere.

Waiting on 4G myself, I little diappointed it rolled out in Baltimore MD, but will skip Wash. DC for the cities to get it this year. We are only 30 miles apart. oh well..
You're a Redskins fan, you should be used to disappointment by now! :twisted:

russianmafioso 04-14-2009 05:57 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiltonPro (Post 847937)
Its all a marketing strategy. Sprint wants to claim as the first carrier to roll-out 4G technology(12MB is the max, yes HSDPA is at 14MB) But infact LTE has not finished.

Once its done. Yes, 100mb d/l speeds, yahdi,yahda, yahda. Both Verizon(CDMA) and AT&T(GSMA) will share the same network for the first time ever. Options to get i-phones and Bolds over to CDMA. Excluding Sprint for now, they are keeping their options open:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/0...open-with-lte/


Its like Sprint now: "Largest and most dependable 3G network in America"

Ahh.... no not really, only largest in square footage for coverage. Verizon has the upper hand in subscribers and depedability..

Cities to get 4G next aside from B-more in 2009

Atlanta/Honolulu/Charlotte/Las Vegas/Chicago/Philadelphia/Dallas/Portland/Fort Worth/Seattle

Sprint also expects to launch service in multiple markets in 2010 including Boston, Houston, New York, San Francisco and Washington, D.C.

Its all Marketing. Dan is a smart, smart man. Whose to blame him...

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-interest.aspx
A few irregularities i've noticed here...

1. Verizon currently runs CDMA, ATT Currently runs GSM. LTE is a GSM based standard. LTE is in no way CDMA, as there will be other revisions of CDMA that do not pertain to LTE whatsoever. Nonetheless, Verizon and ATT with both be using a GSM based standard called LTE.
2. As far as i know, verizon does have the largest coverage... but the real problem is that each company has a very very vague way of defining these terms and the only thing that really matters to most people is that there is good coverage where they reside.
3. As of right now, the only two cities that have WiMax are Portland Oregon and Baltimore Maryland(Portland Oregon is still not completely finished but they consider it a network). They have not really been very straight forward with when those other cities will have WiMax...

Negrito 04-17-2009 01:27 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
A little info on Verizon and 4G...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/17/v...-nowhere-in-s/

Negrito 08-14-2009 02:31 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Anyone using WiMax inBaltimore? Its almost out here in Vegas and im wondering how it is....

Genjinaro 08-14-2009 04:40 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russianmafioso (Post 848655)
3. As of right now, the only two cities that have WiMax are Portland Oregon and Baltimore Maryland(Portland Oregon is still not completely finished but they consider it a network). They have not really been very straight forward with when those other cities will have WiMax...
Not just those two, there are more cities that just 2 that are up an running its just not an officially set rollout.

I used one of the WiMax devices (Nokia N810) from Baltimore Harbor Gallery *3 months ago* & I can confirm 4G is running very well in Philadelphia on XOHM's 4G WiMax network, I was told its working as far up as New York but I can't confirm NYC since I didn't go/live there.

Negrito 08-14-2009 04:42 PM
Re: Sprint 4G Data
 
Also, we already have Clear up and running here in Las Vegas, but sprint hasnt oficially annouced WiMax here yet though, and i much rather get it through sprint... on a mifi type device too, but i know thats just wishful thinking...


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