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internetaffairs 04-22-2011 02:44 AM

Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
:(

We've been waiting a long time and with the releases of new android phones, doesn't look like the devs are going to finish xdandroid on the TP2.

Kane3162 04-22-2011 03:23 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
you might want to check out the android dev section for the TP2, while its definitely got less developers and probably going to take longer, its still getting its fair share (for being a discontinued device "basically" <-- key word pay attention)

I myself had hoped for full TP2 Android lots sooner, but short of paying a development team (which I cant afford, and unless i would actually turn a profit, wont do), take what you can get... :P

highlandsun 04-22-2011 05:57 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Dunno what you're talking about. XDandroid Froyo gets more complete and more stable every day. And as far as I can see, the TP2 is still the only 5-row Qwerty keyboard worth owning for the foreseeable future.

eu0741924381 04-22-2011 07:25 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
we will... eventually... LK work is in progress but ALC fried one of his rhodiums so this will take longer than expected and it's easter and everyone has family business so please be patient :)

fishingmedic 04-22-2011 07:36 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by internetaffairs (Post 2088964)
:(

We've been waiting a long time and with the releases of new android phones, doesn't look like the devs are going to finish xdandroid on the TP2.

:scratch::scratch: Care to give up your sources on this info??? I've been seeing multiple daily updates on many different aspects on the port and more and more breakthroughs, making the TP2 stable enough for daily use for many of us. And I'm not sure what the newest releases have to do with the dev's continuing their work on the port. There's been many android phone out there along with Win 7 and I don't see people running towards them. Some have left and others will fill in the gaps, much like normal life... If you don't feel like waiting go grab a native android, but if not and you can't provide where you got your info (specifically from the developers like Highlandsun, Nate, ACL, jonpry, arrrghhh, etc) then just sit back and enjoy the port.

AkumaX 04-24-2011 04:41 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
who are you to speak on behalf of the hardworking devs that put in so much effort into this project?!

pmcolman 04-24-2011 05:37 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by internetaffairs (Post 2088964)
:(

We've been waiting a long time and with the releases of new android phones, doesn't look like the devs are going to finish xdandroid on the TP2.

Are you saying this because of your personal angst, or do you have some piece of authoritative knowledge on this topic?

Paul
:cwm10:

DarkLight 04-25-2011 09:36 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by internetaffairs (Post 2088964)
:(

We've been waiting a long time and with the releases of new android phones, doesn't look like the devs are going to finish xdandroid on the TP2.

I'm sorry, let me translate for you guys:

"I'm tired of waiting but I have nothing to contribute to the cause so I'm going to take my virtual marbles and go home. However, before I do so I'm going to disparage both the hard work that has already been done and the work that continues to be done because I am not getting anything out of it.

Your's truly,
Poopy pants"

Now, I personally freely admit that I have NOTHING to contribute but thanks and a couple beers to the project. I think it's cool and I run the current build about 40% of the time. I would run it more often but I talk on the phone in the car and need my bluetooth. That's not a complaint, just me dealing with reality so I cope. I also don't trust long term charging in xdandroid so I charge overnight in WinMo...that's just me. It's made a convert out of me and I'll eventually buy an Android phone (oop, I just said that out loud, oh well) which is something I never thought I would admit. Kudos to the DEVs!

highlandsun 04-25-2011 09:43 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
I just use a wired headset with the USB dongle. I like them better than bluetooth anyway. Plus the dongle lets you charge at the same time, so my phone is usually plugged in (cigarette lighter -> USB adapter) when I'm in the car.

kcwebmonkey 04-27-2011 10:49 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkLight (Post 2091202)
I'm sorry, let me translate for you guys:

"I'm tired of waiting but I have nothing to contribute to the cause so I'm going to take my virtual marbles and go home. However, before I do so I'm going to disparage both the hard work that has already been done and the work that continues to be done because I am not getting anything out of it.

Your's truly,
Poopy pants"

Now, I personally freely admit that I have NOTHING to contribute but thanks and a couple beers to the project. I think it's cool and I run the current build about 40% of the time. I would run it more often but I talk on the phone in the car and need my bluetooth. That's not a complaint, just me dealing with reality so I cope. I also don't trust long term charging in xdandroid so I charge overnight in WinMo...that's just me. It's made a convert out of me and I'll eventually buy an Android phone (oop, I just said that out loud, oh well) which is something I never thought I would admit. Kudos to the DEVs!

LOL, you've been thank'd for your wonderful translation.

Also, my TP2 has been running the latest builds 100% of the time for months now and I have had no issues whatsoever leaving my phone on the charger all night every night.

x10guy 05-04-2011 01:33 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Why does everyone take these posts so personally?
Yes, the developers are awesome and deserve so many thanks!!!

But realistically, a full working TP2 Android port may not happen. That is always a real possibility.

This of course is in NO way a slight or an insult to any developer. It's just a realistic outcome considering how old the TP2 is getting and how more and more people moving on to newer devices.

arrrghhh 05-04-2011 01:42 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x10guy (Post 2097083)
Why does everyone take these posts so personally?
Yes, the developers are awesome and deserve so many thanks!!!

But realistically, a full working TP2 Android port may not happen. That is always a real possibility.

This of course is in NO way a slight or an insult to any developer. It's just a realistic outcome considering how old the TP2 is getting and how more and more people moving on to newer devices.

Why even speculate? Technically the HD2's port isn't 100% complete. Who cares... So long as it's stable and I can get rid of WinMo, I'll be a happy camper.

Sc/ant864 05-04-2011 06:26 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Well what if you were working on a house or car for a few years and some DOUCHEBAG walks up while you're working on it and says " Hey man, you've been working on that for a few years now I PERSONALLY don't think you're going to finish that." You would get pissed and either cuss him out or kick his ass....same difference. Some people don't know when to keep their opinions to themselves and the consequences are you might get your teeth knocked out....just saying :D

arrrghhh 05-04-2011 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc/ant864 (Post 2097237)
Well what if you were working on a house or car for a few years and some DOUCHEBAG walks up while you're working on it and says " Hey man, you've been working on that for a few years now I PERSONALLY don't think you're going to finish that." You would get pissed and either cuss him out or kick his ass....same difference. Some people don't know when to keep their opinions to themselves and the consequences are you might get your teeth knocked out....just saying :D

lol, no joke. Also, because of said douche, usually the project gets finished even faster - perhaps that's what he's doin, a little reverse psychology.

I guess so long as they don't mind getting their ass kicked...

anish88 05-04-2011 07:38 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
ill get my ass kicked for functioning bluetooth and for me most importantly 3.5mm jack. haha

Kane3162 05-05-2011 02:50 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
i would gladly provide someone to take an ass kicking and possible even plunging for FM support...

oh wait... shit thats SPL/Radio shit (at least that was the majority consensus last time i check the FM Radio thread and no2chems last talk about it)


needless to say, patience is a virtue, one often overlooked

hceuterpe 05-05-2011 03:36 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Dude Jerome is at the cusp of getting bluetooth working, from my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong), but full NAND booting without an SD card is working.

So really, yes it's going to happen. However it's just not going to happen for your particular phone, just everyoe else's.

Take the stupid comments elsewhere, troll.

hceuterpe 05-05-2011 03:40 AM

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To add to this, in my opinion the only time this isn't going to happen is if your company allows dual usage of cell phones. i.e. your phone with the company's email. i know plenty of companies that do. Likely they will say the ported Android is not commercially supported at all, and they would flag it as a security risk and tell you to buy a fully fledged, commercial supported native Android phone.

Kane3162 05-05-2011 05:50 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
So, now that this thread has been settled, can we please get a mod to lock it? Plz/Thx?!

x10guy 05-06-2011 02:57 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
I'm with everyone in that I hope it gets finished. BT and 3.5mm jack seem to be the last obstacles.

Now I don't know what the OP was really thinking but does everyone think these posts are insults??? I don't know if I'd take it that far. The anger and vitriol seems a bit much.

It's just a phone... and not even a new one. If it happens, awesome!
If it doesn't happen... no big deal. The Devs are still great and the world is not going to end.

oisact 05-07-2011 03:42 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
I know that volunteer / hobby kind of software development happens in bits and spurts, so it's not unexpected for there not to be constant new releases. For those that follow who's doing what more closely, is the primary issue that the developers do not have lots of time to devote to this, or are there technical roadblocks that have been encountered (like proprietary hardware issues that HTC doesn't provide documentation or specs for)?

For me personally, I'm not so concerned about having every bell and whistle of the phone working (headphone jacks, bluetooth, etc), but just raw core stability. It sounds like the RIL is the primary culprit when it comes to that. Anything on the horizon as far as that goes? There was talk that strides had been made in that area.

arrrghhh 05-07-2011 04:11 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oisact (Post 2098791)
I know that volunteer / hobby kind of software development happens in bits and spurts, so it's not unexpected for there not to be constant new releases. For those that follow who's doing what more closely, is the primary issue that the developers do not have lots of time to devote to this, or are there technical roadblocks that have been encountered (like proprietary hardware issues that HTC doesn't provide documentation or specs for)?

For me personally, I'm not so concerned about having every bell and whistle of the phone working (headphone jacks, bluetooth, etc), but just raw core stability. It sounds like the RIL is the primary culprit when it comes to that. Anything on the horizon as far as that goes? There was talk that strides had been made in that area.

Eh, depends on the issue. Mostly it's lack of time (it seems).

The RIL is functionally complete AFAIK. See hyc's XDA thread

oisact 05-07-2011 08:02 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Do you know when this will packaged up into a new distribution? I think FRX06 was released primarily to use a different dialer over FRX05. If this RIL is a major improvement should it warrant a FRX07?

vinceweis 05-07-2011 08:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oisact (Post 2098837)
Do you know when this will packaged up into a new distribution? I think FRX06 was released primarily to use a different dialer over FRX05. If this RIL is a major improvement should it warrant a FRX07?

It is being worked on very hard as we speak. Please be patient. The devs have a lot going on that will be committed and prepared when it is stable. There will be a new release when it is ready.

internetaffairs 06-04-2011 03:01 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
sad... :silent:

oisact 06-04-2011 11:06 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Since this thread was bumped anyway, I'll mention that my carrier finally got a decent QWERTY Android phone (HTC Merge), so I grabbed one (almost a week before it officially went on sale) and I've been very, very pleased with it. It's only 800 MHz, but scores better than many 1 GHz phones on benchmarks (1300 Quadrant score). I might still have use for a stable Android on my TP2, maybe for the kids to use, but I'm just ecstatic having a rock-solid phone that performs so well.

Tinkerbell 06-04-2011 11:10 PM

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Sounds great! Glad you found something that is working well for you!

psycho_maniac 06-05-2011 02:21 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
can you guys please link me to where your finding all these updaes? i havent seen anything really and ive tried looking. i ran what i thought was the latest and it just locks up when it boots up.

Shorale 06-05-2011 03:12 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho_maniac (Post 2111438)
can you guys please link me to where your finding all these updaes? i havent seen anything really and ive tried looking. i ran what i thought was the latest and it just locks up when it boots up.

If you're looking for something on the Thunderbolt, you're in the completely wrong thread.

psycho_maniac 06-05-2011 03:18 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
no
i want what is the topic of the thread.

arrrghhh 06-05-2011 10:58 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho_maniac (Post 2111453)
no
i want what is the topic of the thread.

There isn't a 'fully-functional' version of Android for the TP2. FRX06 is the closest you'll get at this point. hyc has been making a lot of improvements to Froyo, so the next build will largely be because of his work... and it will work much better, but I still wouldn't consider it a 'fully operating' Android port. There's still things that are not working - prox sensor, 3.5mm jack, GPS warm injection/XTRA info, etc.

With that said, it's getting pretty good - and honestly at this stage I think Android has surpassed WinMo for stability. It's geting close on speed.

I kinda wish a mod would close this thread, it's pointless and condescending. Devs are working hard, but it's not like we have hundreds of devs that are getting paid to spend 40-hour weeks on this project. Devs work on a volunteer basis, in their free time. Show some respect.

Tinkerbell 06-05-2011 11:06 AM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2111528)
Devs are working hard, but it's not like we have hundreds of devs that are getting paid to spend 40-hour weeks on this project. Devs work on a volunteer basis, in their free time.

Well said... we do appreciate the countless hours freely given for the greater good here!

manekineko 06-05-2011 08:47 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho_maniac (Post 2111438)
can you guys please link me to where your finding all these updaes? i havent seen anything really and ive tried looking. i ran what i thought was the latest and it just locks up when it boots up.

Pretty much everything is going on at XDA now:
Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development - xda-developers

Only thing where PPG is on the forefront is NAND development.

If you don't want to follow XDA, my issues and workarounds threads has links to pretty much all the updates.

butler360 06-05-2011 09:43 PM

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LOL, why is this thread still here?

fishingmedic 06-08-2011 10:04 PM

Re: Looks like a fully operating ANDROID OS on the TP2 isn't gonna happen anymore...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho_maniac (Post 2111453)
no
i want what is the topic of the thread.

Stop trolling Jer :toothy7: Shoot me a text and I'll tell you all about the set up I'm running on my trusty ol' TP2. Granted it's not the stock FRX06 but I can confirm what arrrghhh said as far as stability being equal to or better than winmo (except of course Mr. X's 6.5 ROMs lol).

orangekid 06-10-2011 03:47 PM

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Looks like this thread has run its course. It stopped being useful (if it ever was) so I am going to shut this puppy down.

Thanks again to the devs who work to make this device still relevant and continuing to develop on their free time.

For real updates on what does/doesn't work check out the stickies and the OPs in the dev sub-forum.


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