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elesbb 03-08-2011 01:06 PM
got a question
 
How hard would it be to make an emulator that would allow one to have windows mobile running , then launch an app that would allow one to then run android programs .

arrrghhh 03-08-2011 02:10 PM
Re: got a question
 
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Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065737)
How hard would it be to make an emulator that would allow one to have windows mobile running , then launch an app that would allow one to then run android programs .
Nearly impossible, and not worth the effort. Much better to run native code, and just forget WinMo :p.

MassStash 03-08-2011 02:37 PM
Re: got a question
 
werd....

elesbb 03-08-2011 04:05 PM
Re: got a question
 
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Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2065755)
Nearly impossible, and not worth the effort. Much better to run native code, and just forget WinMo :p.
i would do that if the native code worked flawlessy and smoothly and quickly as does my windows mobile ;)

yes that statement is true . i love my custom ROM and everything about it .

But i have a second question,

How hard would it be to forget winmo completely and have android run from the phone itself and not from the SD card . in my mind, wouldnt that make it MUCH faster ?

arrrghhh 03-08-2011 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065809)
i would do that if the native code worked flawlessy and smoothly and quickly as does my windows mobile ;)

yes that statement is true . i love my custom ROM and everything about it .

But i have a second question,

How hard would it be to forget winmo completely and have android run from the phone itself and not from the SD card . in my mind, wouldnt that make it MUCH faster ?
How would it make it MUCH faster?

SD cards are pretty quick, so where are we getting this amazing speed gain from...?

Android works pretty smoothly, but it does have its problems - obviously - we're not nearly done with the project!

If you want to flash, there's ways to do it - but it's even more buggy and less functional than haret versions that boot off of the SD card - hence the reason there's only 2 threads on the topic. Need more time to iron out bugs before this is ready for prime time!

elesbb 03-08-2011 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2065811)
How would it make it MUCH faster?

SD cards are pretty quick, so where are we getting this amazing speed gain from...?
Well in my mind , its like having windows 7 on an external HDD , connected to a usb port will run slower then having it connected internally to a sata port .

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Android works pretty smoothly, but it does have its problems - obviously - we're not nearly done with the project!

If you want to flash, there's ways to do it - but it's even more buggy and less functional than haret versions that boot off of the SD card - hence the reason there's only 2 threads on the topic. Need more time to iron out bugs before this is ready for prime time!
LOL i know this . not trying to start an argument . just wasnt sure if this would be possible . plus once it it in its final stage , will it be like picking up a evo or epic and having it run smoothly ? im not saying your taking to long lol .. im just wondering if its POSSIBLE .

arrrghhh 03-08-2011 05:26 PM
Re: got a question
 
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Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065832)
Well in my mind , its like having windows 7 on an external HDD , connected to a usb port will run slower then having it connected internally to a sata port .
Well that's not the difference here. The SD card isn't like a USB connection - it's just as fast as the NAND, if not faster (depending on the card) in fact... So you won't get any speed boost whatsoever from NAND. Sorry, apples & oranges is what you're comparing.

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Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065832)
LOL i know this . not trying to start an argument . just wasnt sure if this would be possible . plus once it it in its final stage , will it be like picking up a evo or epic and having it run smoothly ? im not saying your taking to long lol .. im just wondering if its POSSIBLE .
Of course it won't be like picking up an Evo or an Epic - look at the hardware specs! Just because the Android port is complete doesn't mean it's going to run like those phones...

If you're going to compare to native Android hardware, at least be fair - compare it to the G1, or the Hero. Look at processor, RAM and screen res specs - when we're "done", it should run comparable to those devices. Evo and Epic are not really fair comparisons, as their hardware is soooo much newer/faster/better!

Boominsvx 03-08-2011 05:36 PM
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It's more likely that android will be finished one day than it is for ppcgeeks to put a moron button right next to the thanks button. Personally, I'm in love with both ideas. Juzt bee payshunt and reed, n u can haz ur androy'd.

elesbb 03-08-2011 05:49 PM
Re: got a question
 
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Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2065853)
Well that's not the difference here. The SD card isn't like a USB connection - it's just as fast as the NAND, if not faster (depending on the card) in fact... So you won't get any speed boost whatsoever from NAND. Sorry, apples & oranges is what you're comparing.
Oh . well i apologize for being ignorant . i was just thinking quickly in my head not really doing any research . Sorry :/
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Of course it won't be like picking up an Evo or an Epic - look at the hardware specs! Just because the Android port is complete doesn't mean it's going to run like those phones...

If you're going to compare to native Android hardware, at least be fair - compare it to the G1, or the Hero. Look at processor, RAM and screen res specs - when we're "done", it should run comparable to those devices. Evo and Epic are not really fair comparisons, as their hardware is soooo much newer/faster/better!
Fair enough . again i wasnt really trying to argue or say your wrong . i was just trying to expand my knowledge .

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It's more likely that android will be finished one day than it is for ppcgeeks to put a moron button right next to the thanks button. Personally, I'm in love with both ideas. Juzt bee payshunt and reed, n u can haz ur androy'd.
Only reason im starting to like android is cause of all the apps and devolopment people are doing for it . feels as if winMo is a dying bread :( i really do love my TP2 with WinMo on it :/

arrrghhh 03-08-2011 06:09 PM
Re: got a question
 
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Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065860)
Only reason im starting to like android is cause of all the apps and devolopment people are doing for it . feels as if winMo is a dying bread :( i really do love my TP2 with WinMo on it :/
LOL @ dying bread. I think you mean "breed".

Anyhoo, no one is forcing you to use Android. Stick to WinMo by all means, if that's what you love!

Most people hate WinMo, hence the reason this Android port has gotten so far - if everyone loved WinMo, this port probably never would've happened. I don't see anyone trying to port WinMo onto their Android phones!

gtmethod3 03-08-2011 06:26 PM
Re: got a question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065860)
Only reason im starting to like android is cause of all the apps and devolopment people are doing for it . feels as if winMo is a dying bread :( i really do love my TP2 with WinMo on it :/
Heh, WinMo has been a dying breed for a long time. Ever wonder why Android runs so much better on the TP2? Windows mobile is using code that is ages old. I'm no expert on this but I haven't noticed much changes from my old Dell Axim. If it wasn't for HTC coming out with sense, I doubt it would have gone anywhere quick. Sadly though, Sense is a just a mask and a poor performance one at that.

I'm a little surprised that NAND has the same read/write speads as SD cards. I guess I just figured it would be faster because I would assume it is on the same primary bus as the other high speed components. But then again, phones' boards must be pretty primitive compares to computers.

Note: I'm strictly speaking navigating though the device, booting, and other phone uses. Not using the phone for graphics.

gtmethod3 03-08-2011 06:28 PM
Re: got a question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2065872)
Most people hate WinMo, hence the reason this Android port has gotten so far - if everyone loved WinMo, this port probably never would've happened. I don't see anyone trying to port WinMo onto their Android phones!
Probably because it is illegal. :) WinMo needs licenses!

Annnnd, because WinMo blows.. hah.

arrrghhh 03-08-2011 06:30 PM
Re: got a question
 
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Originally Posted by gtmethod3 (Post 2065880)
Probably because it is illegal. :) WinMo needs licenses!

Annnnd, because WinMo blows.. hah.
So does WP7 yet that runs on the HD2.

I think it's the latter ;).

elesbb 03-08-2011 07:54 PM
Re: got a question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2065883)
So does WP7 yet that runs on the HD2.

I think it's the latter ;).
I actually wouldnt mind putting windows mobile on say an HD7 or something with a 1ghz processor . imagine the speeds . and i dont think winMo is that terrible . seriously i love my TP2 with my custom ROM .. the only thing i hate is that 1 , Skyfire stopped updating , so did touchPal , its just that no one is making programs for it anymore . im most likely leaving winMo not because i want to , but have to .

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Heh, WinMo has been a dying breed for a long time. Ever wonder why Android runs so much better on the TP2? Windows mobile is using code that is ages old. I'm no expert on this but I haven't noticed much changes from my old Dell Axim. If it wasn't for HTC coming out with sense, I doubt it would have gone anywhere quick. Sadly though, Sense is a just a mask and a poor performance one at that.

I'm a little surprised that NAND has the same read/write speads as SD cards. I guess I just figured it would be faster because I would assume it is on the same primary bus as the other high speed components. But then again, phones' boards must be pretty primitive compares to computers.

Note: I'm strictly speaking navigating though the device, booting, and other phone uses. Not using the phone for graphics.
I dont think that android runs really good on my TP2 .. lots of lag . but i do thank you for all of your work guys . the coolest thing was , today at school , my friend turned on my phone and the Dual Boot menu came up and he has the same phone and was like "wtf?" lol .

Its really cool how you guys can do this !! thanks for the continued support !!

elesbb 03-08-2011 09:29 PM
Re: got a question
 
can anyone help me connect my TP2 while running android to my computer ?

arrrghhh 03-08-2011 10:00 PM
Re: got a question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elesbb (Post 2065952)
can anyone help me connect my TP2 while running android to my computer ?
USB mass storage doesn't work.

Please use search...

With Droid Explorer you can kinda get USB mass storage, but it's really for debugging.

Kinda funny how you threadjacked your own thread tho. Good stuff.

elesbb 03-08-2011 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by arrrghhh (Post 2065967)
USB mass storage doesn't work.

Please use search...

With Droid Explorer you can kinda get USB mass storage, but it's really for debugging.

Kinda funny how you threadjacked your own thread tho. Good stuff.
I did use the search. I got even more lost. I'm really sorry :'(

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MassStash 03-11-2011 06:14 AM
Nand is insane fast for me....

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ndno 03-11-2011 06:28 AM
Wow... seriously, I don't think android is for you... even if we have android running natively under Nand. You seems to love winmo so much ;) "Emulating" android under winmo? Seriously? Really? Wow.

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elesbb 03-11-2011 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MassStash (Post 2067074)
Nand is insane fast for me....

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Describe fast . Please

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elesbb 03-11-2011 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ndno (Post 2067075)
Wow... seriously, I don't think android is for you... even if we have android running natively under Nand. You seems to love winmo so much ;) "Emulating" android under winmo? Seriously? Really? Wow.

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Yea I love winmo , what I don't love is how all the third party software companies are stopping development on it . Take skyfire for example

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