Realistic expectations management for Android on Touch Pro 2?
 

I was wondering if any developers (i.e. people like phh or ACL or Wozz with actual experience and insight into the progress of the project and the morale of fellow developers) can provide a realistic assessment of how far this project is going to go before some day the last developer drops out and all is said and done? Also, what sort of timeframe would you guess?

Obviously, I'm not asking for anyone to read the future, just for their own gut feelings on the matter.

We can set the gold standard to be the HTC Touch. Obviously, with some things like the button layout, no one would ever confuse it with a device that shipped with Android natively, and it has an outdated CPU compared to modern Android superphones. However, it reached the culmination of the Android porting project, in that pretty much everything that could be made to work was made to work.

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Back in the day i prob would not have answered, but since we have had a lot of progress lately i say its safe to say that it all depends on you.

What do you consider done ?

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camera
blutooth
mms
all i need i can do with out blu tooth. just my mms.

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To me i cant go andriod full time till BT is up and running. Anyone know the status of that? Then just some more stability and battery life and i will call it done :)

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MMS is probably on the bottom of the list. i mean real bottom. I think the devs will start making little leather cases by hand with penguins on them before mms gets fixed. Or unless that bounty gets big enough for someone to drop what they are doing and just figure it out.

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batt life is done my good man. wait until the next big commit from wistilt. It has auto dimming plus full panel off to save some good batt life.

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Do you think it'll ever reach a level comparable to the Touch? All hardware working, basically behaves like a really slow Android device with weird buttons.

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Touch is the Vogue right ? Ever ? as in we have eternity to finish it ? i dunno i say a year if we keep at the current pace. Dev for the vogue started years before tp2 so i say we are doing pretty good :-p

Also you never know when devs will just drop off. We lost some good guys early this year. Mrpippy, cr2 , captnoord and recently wozzer. hard to say dood.

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Hey acl do you know when the commit will happen? Is it when phh looks at it or did he already do that?

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I use it fulltime. No sound issues have affected me in months.

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i need camera and battery life/meter at 100% and i am all good

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For me to use it full time, I would need the screen to actually turn off and such. I would also need my camera to work. I could always carry a separate camera, but its too convenient to just carry one device. I would also like to see all the files just be flashed onto NAND, meaning hot swappable SD's. I like the NAND install process that the Vouge has right now. You install a base Android ROM, and then you have your andriodinstall.gtz on your SD. From there, if you ever want to flash from a new update or a different Android ROM, all you have to do his press that button during the kernel startup to update. SenseUI would be nice, however not a necessity. Bluetooth isn't that big of an issue, when its done, sweet, if not, no big deal. MMS is also a nice option. Is that something that is kernel related or can some third party app be used to fix that? Last but far from least, is that I like to use my phone as an MP3 player when I'm working out. Ugh how I hate working out, but mandatory Military PT tests force me to... -_-; It would be nice to have the headphone jack working for music like pandora or something. That is what I do in WinMo atm...

Sorry, this thread just seemed like the ranting thread. By no means is this me complaining, this is just me giving my honest input into what I need for it to be my everyday OS. I would like to thank the Devs for the great work and dedication that is being put forward.

tl;dr
some things need fixed, great job guys

-jim

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Really? I don't see anyone ranting here. My original purpose in creating this is just to try and plan out what I should do with my phone upgrade situation.

I use XDAndroid fulltime on my phone. I'm eligible for an upgrade from my carrier, but I'm happy to save the money and stay on the TP2 with XDAndroid if there's a realistic shot of it become as good as the Vogue in the future.

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When you say "lost some good guys", I really hope you don't mean they died.

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not sure if phh himself even got the patch. I havent seen it nor did i see a pastebin on the logs. So ill have to wait until wistilt makes it public

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hope not.. well not wozzer.. i still talk to him .. so unless his ghost is haunting me i think he is alive. Capt and cr2 are alive as well just moved onto bigger things i suppose..

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ashs to ashes ,dust to dust we will miss you developers..... wonder if the android wiki should have a grave marker for all the devs who died/went MIA during the port?

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headphone jack is the ONLY thing holding me back from full time usage

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Alright thx acl for the response made sure it was thanked.

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Looks like that same night i mentioned the panel commit, phh and wistilt got it committed. Camera is probably next on the horizon..

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Hey guys. Pretty much since sound (ringtones) became fixed, I have been using Android full time as my OS. I just can't stand Windows. I find the current state of Android to be fully usable but there are features I sometimes miss, in order from most desired to least.

1. CAMERA - So any times I'll be out having a good time and think "I should grab a picture of this!", but quickly become disappointed when I realize I would have to take the time to boot back into Windows to do so.
2. IMPROVED BATTERY LIFE - Battery is pretty good as is, but I am frequently finding my phone dead by the end of the day (I charge it overnight). A more accurate battery meter would be nice too.
3. MMS - I'm curious why this is such a low priority for the developers? I don't personally use it a lot, but I have occasionally had people try to send me them, and then three days later when they ask me about it, I feel like a jerk for "ignoring it" since I don't even get a notification on it. Though it helps that I can visit pictures.sprintpcs.com to view any.
4. IMPROVED 3D - Not a huge deal, but I recently picked up the Angry Birds game and the framerate is bad and lots of textures are missing.
5. HEADPHONE JACK - Would be nice if I could seemless use a pair of headphones for Pandora.

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i will throw my opinion in here i guess. i work outside as a landscaper and irrigation repair and use my headphones to both listen to music and make phone calls without touching my phone with dirty, greasy, or muddy hands, so headphone jack would be first on my wish list.
my job also requires me to take a lot of before/after pictures and sometimes pictures to identify plants/trees/flowers, so camera would definitely be next. MMS is not incredibly important to me cuz i can always just email the picures and although power management could still stand to be improved, i would venture to say that the tp2 was never famous for its awesome battery life in the first place and i just got in the habit of carrying a few spare batteries with me.
i am due an upgrade, but in carrying a smartphone since the treo 180 days, i think that the tp2 has been by far the best phone overall i have ever used and if i can get a little more life and functionality out of it, why give up a good thing.
i am amazed and incredibly impressed with the work that the devs have done getting android to work to the level of functionality that they have, and find myself using it at least half the time, and would probably switch over almost completely once these few issues are addressed, if they ever do get addressed. if not, i think what we already have is damn sweet enough to give out tp2s some awesome varieties of flavor.

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The deveolpment on this port in the last few months has been nothing short of amazing. Power management is the only thing keeping me from using this as a daily OS. However, when I'm near power, I have Android running.

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Well put, Kenaf, especially on the "ignored" inbound MMS. And I've rebooted into WM for a picture or two of the kids now and again.

But I must say, warts and all, what we have now is far better than WinMob. No way I could switch back at this point.

Here's a related question -- how long will folks wait for the remaining issues to be fixed? We're all one upgrade away from having a native Android phone, and I'd guess that a lot of us are already over a year having a TP2. But the TP2 keyboard has spoiled me, and there's no QWERTY phone on Verizon that comes close. The Ally is uninspired at best, and I hate the Droid/D2 keyboard. I'm very grateful that the devs have given me the ability to have an Android phone having a keyboard which is far superior to anything else that I can get from my carrier.

The only promising QWERTY slider on the horizon (for VZW) is the HTC Merge. But it's only a 4-row!

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For me some progress on camera functionality would be the next thing on my personal wishlist... i keep wanting to have the option of using barcode scanners and some of the ARGs that depend on the camera.

Power has made significant strides in just the last month or 2 to a point where I'm pleased and will take any further improvement as bonus.

Don't use BT or MMS much so I can do without both...

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For me the one and only thing holding me back is battery life, I cant get more than like 6 hours out of it with a normal use (phone call or 2, few texts, and a little browsing) If we had battery life that could get me through the day I would definitely give up mms camera and even bluetooth as these seem like more of a "bells and whistles" type thing and battery is more of a core functionality to me

I cant believe how far this has come though and once battery is fixed I will be donating, keep it up guys and thank you again!

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Yeah, I try to run in Andro as long as I can during the day... once I get a low battery warning, I boot into WM till I can get close to a charger again. It's nothing more than a backup generator for my phone now. Never did I think WM would become the SECONDARY OS on my device!

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Funny, the only things that really don't work are the things we want. My top priority would be camera. Having 3 kids doing something cute while i am trying to reboot makes it difficult. I have donated in the past and if camera doesnt get fixed i will still be donating in the future. Very rare do i need to send or receive a mms but it would be nice. Thanks to all that worked on this project!

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Camera seems close. Don't we want all the features? I mean before GPS, I wanted that. I'm pretty sure before sound worked everyone wanted that :p

Keep those donations rolling... serves as motivation :D

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Thx for the update arrrghhh on the camera and yes you are very right we do want all features lol. Keep up the hard work and hope you become VIP soon.

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Camera would be definitely appreciated.