Originally Posted by dishe (Post 1660508)

gTen, I hear what you are saying and I WANT to agree with you. But sadly, my experiences have not matched up with what you describe. And I think you've missed my point.

I'm not glued to Microsoft, for the record. I would gladly switch to ANYTHING that worked just as well. I used Funambol extensively (even had a correspondence with its creator, Fabrizio- I actually have a picture I took with him somewhere... heh). I was a big fan and pushed it everywhere before I gave in and got myself an Exchange server.

My practical experience in the real world has often been the complete opposite of your perfect-world vision. Not all the time, I do love open-source, and have had excellent experiences with some of the resulting products. However, not everything labelled "open source" is magically awesome.
Open Office, for example, had compatibility problems when collaborating with high-profile clients glued to MS Office. One could argue that it was Microsoft in fact who was not adhering to their own standards set forth for the document types. Whatever the case may be, to avoid embarassing situations, I ended up caving in and getting myself Office 07.

I used to sound just like you... I was a fan of Funambol, and pushed it every chance I got... until I noticed I was always making up excuses for everything where I shouldn't have had to. It didn't always push in real time (try explaining that to a Blackberry user) and I had a few bizarre circumstances in which I ended up with duplicate entries and the like which was a headache to resolve. SyncML is great, again, in concept. Exchange? A world of difference. At the risk of sounding like Apple advertising, "it just works".

I agree with you in principle, things should be more open. I don't want to rely on Microsoft. And there SHOULD also be alternatives for the things I mentioned missing in Android. But sometimes there aren't (good call on the unrar tool, though!).

If you read over my point in the first post, you'll see that I admit this stuff will come out sooner or later, so many of my gripes are temporary. But right now, Android is not quite there yet.

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 1660237)

I do not disagree Microsoft's presence, mostly in the business world but the use of Exchange makes me sad. Syncing is part of making all technology work together and those need to have standards and be open source for it to have competition and variety.

Also viewing is free but editing costs $$$..but that aside from the microsoft is not the only one setting standards for documents..many formats exist including PDF, ODF and etc which are commonly used.

There is compatibility with use of 3rd party apps but in general I believe people should migrate off solutions that do not allow flexibility. If Microsoft wants to sell exchange they should open up activesync. But Microsoft tries to get both which is bad for consumers and businesses.

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1661194)

to the OP great points
truly valid and a lot of reasons why I prefer the htc rosie builds - even slower, they give me as a user the well needed balance the stock android lacks
I don't run android often (maybe to keep up with development) but so far, yes i tis incomplete and not ready for prime time. Comparing my android to the moment for example makes me realize the moment is 10,000 years away from our builds, but it also gives us something to aspire to in that the overall speed of the device will be very snappy.
All in all, personal subjectivity varies, but as far as sending an sms or something, android does it well. As far as getting work done, in my experience, it is lackluster. Take it as it were though because your experience in the ever burgeoning battle of balance may be different than mine

Originally Posted by x10guy (Post 1662246)

What makes this thread a bit unique from other xxx versus yyy threads, is that we are generally speaking about the same phone.

In this case, you don't necessarily have to choose one over the other. Once Android TP2 gets more robust, you can do either.

Originally Posted by x10guy (Post 1662246)

What makes this thread a bit unique from other xxx versus yyy threads, is that we are generally speaking about the same phone.

In this case, you don't necessarily have to choose one over the other. Once Android TP2 gets more robust, you can do either.

Originally Posted by DarkLight (Post 1662295)

The other thing that makes this thread different is that we're 2 pages into it and we have yet to start a flame war. It's still a discussion, and a reasoned one at that.
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