Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Thanks! But the /bin/su will be there after a reboot. So it does not matter. But I will update my post with the last step.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

There is an app on market, called Autostart. We can do an autostart.sh that remounts / rw and deletes the /bin/su for now I guess?

From reading previous posts this will be removed or will be addressed in the future?

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

We just need remove /bin and /sbin from the path in sysinit.rc and rebuild initrd. No biggie. We'll get it fixed shortly ;)

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Ive been having some difficulty figuring out the best approach to fix this. There are so many ways but picking the best isnt easy. Ive been bouncing ideas with Lmiller and right now i want to completely remove /bin from the path in sysinit.rc. I checked cyanogen, sense and my own galaxy s. None have /bin so i'm very confident it's just for the initrd (which we need). Since we need it for install and other stuff, only thing i recommend is to try this fix out.

The process is easy.

adb pull /system/sysinit.rc
modify the line export PATH /bin:/sbin:/system/sbin:/system/bin:/system/xbin:/system/xbin/bb:/data/local/bin

and remove /bin from the list. then adb push the file on the same location (make sure system is rw or this) and reboot.

in the mean time i got some work to do..

Edit: ok looks like we have our decision.. nate is onboard with modding the rc. :-) we need sbin however for now since we run adb from there. but there shouldnt be an su inside.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Yea after the sysinit.rc edit and a reboot, I updated su with superuser app. updated busybox installer and it is asking for permissions correctly and has root.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

So has anyone else still been having problems with the dead battery restart loop? I've been using the NAND build for a few days with good success, but this morning my phone was dead and is now stuck in the restart loop. I've tried taking the battery out and putting it back in before and after plugging my phone in, but it keeps trying to start on its own without getting enough of a charge to make it through the startup sequence. Thanks for everyone's help.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

I can confirm working SU. I didn't adb pull / adb push, what I did was remounted /system rw and edited the file the init.rc links to with vi and then saved changes, rebooted, worked like a charm! :)

EDIT: Pandora or XIIA Live wont stream :(

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

i kepp on having the same issues but thank god i have a friend that has a tp2 and an evo so hes got a whole bunch of batteries but like u right now im stuck in the effing boot loop

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

thanks for testing buddy.. im uploading the revised version shortly.

Also what did i say before bro?.. need some more info about why things wont work. get a logcat about pandora and see whats up.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

I dont use android on NAND, but I was wondering if maybe going into boot loader and charging the battery would work? I have no idea but just putting it out there.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

1) take out battery/charging wire
2) put in battery (phone should still be off)
3) put in charging wire (phone should stay off)

at this point, the light should turn orange, even though its off. let it charge for 30+ min, and you should just turn it on w/ the power button and be good to go!

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

i wish! actuall the offline charging code is in the bootloader partition and even if it is its not set to run by the bootloader but rather the os so it would just drain the battery. and im pretty because it happened to a friend recently that if u leave a fone in bootloader over night ul wake up with a dead fone.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Wholy shizzz. This took me long time to read through pages 100 til 178. Have forgotten already most parts of 'em! Should get my Rhodium either today or tomorrow. After that I may help out with CWM Recovery + ROM-dev. First thing to do is to browse through all commits and try out the latest ROM offered here. Will keep you guys updated after I have successfully flashed the first NBH.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

My problem is that my phone seems to come on automatically as soon as it has enough charge to do so, then it wont get past the boot cycle, then it will reboot because it didnt finish the boot cycle. ... I'm abou tto go to spring and just tell them that "i'm testing to see if it is my charger or my battery. can you charge this battery for me?" then I'll tkae it home charged...

I dont even have android installed, I made the mistake of starting hte process with a battery that wasn't fully charged I guess... so it died in the middle... been without my phone for a whole day now :( I can't seem to get the bastard to keep enough charge.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Err, as per this post: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/2067605-post1702.html
I'm going to leave my battery out for a long time, and then try again. I guess the issue is that it was shut down uncleanly and it remembers that it should be on.. so it immediately powers on as soon as it has enough charge, but its not enough to finish the boot.

If it doesn't work by morning, I'll have someone else charge my darn battery.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Someone said something about a car charger working better as well?

*Shrug*, you've got nothing to lose. Charging in another phone should work also :p.

Let us all learn from this and several others who have done the same - don't let your battery die!!

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Welcome, glad you will be joining the tp2 family soon.

I'll save you a lot of time with CWM recovery since i already tried. Its mostly useless for us, the functionality it brings really doesnt apply to our devices. We cant communicate with the boot-loader like native devices can. So right away most of the fun is lost. I ended up writing our own recovery for this reason.

If you are interested in a good project, porting cyanogen 7 would be interesting. I tried cm6 for a while and it sucks so i didn't continue. I much rather concentrate on xdandroid GB or cm7. Porting it from source would be more ideal.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

I actually tried a car charger too.. I thought I was making progress. but in the end I wasn't.

I accidently set out to install android with a low battery... bad idea.. MAKE SUR EYOU HAVE A FULL BATTERY BEFORE YOU TRY THIS. You dont want it going dead in the middle!

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

i cant seem to replicate this. Well its because i cant really drain my batt that fast since i'm always ADBd in. So i need your help

First, when your batt is dead. Is the phone completely off? did you take the batt out and just make sure its really dead.

Ok once you are sure its off, put the batt back in. And when you do this, the phone boots on its own ? i cant see how this is even possible

Ok so lets say it doesnt turn on on its own. So batt is in, you plug it in, then the phone goes on on its own ? randomly? or as soon as you plug in.

I dont have an AC charger so maybe i need one to replicate..

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

A couple of things:

1. For wake up, you can press windows key (android menu key) a few times to wake the phone up, this key doesn't put phone to sleep (if you press end key a few times you can end up sleeping phone, waking up, sleeping again, etc etc

2. You should invest in a stand alone battery charger and extra battery $7 @ ebay, that way you can charge 1 battery while using the other. :) http://cgi.ebay.com/190471700504
The charger by itself is like $1, you can get 3 batteries with charger for like $16, not bad... I got the charger and 2 batteries for $10...

3. I will do the logcat from now on when I run into issues with certain apps. I uninstalled Pandora and Xiia Live, when I get a chance I will download the apps again and do it.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Shouldn't matter really. I've actually tested doing just about everything wrong that you possibly can with this phone. I have never had an issue getting it to charge back up by doing the following:

1) Remove any charger and pull out the battery
2) After a few minutes, put the battery back in
3) Plug in and let it charge. It will vibrate like it is turning on which is normal.
4) After 5 - 10 minutes, remove the charger and pull the battery again.
5) After a few minutes, put the battery back in
6) Turn it on and go to town

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

The boot loop trap called the "MassStash Syndrome" happened to me as well. :-) Nothing I did even after following the suggestions here really seemed to work for me. I used my friend's TP2 battery to boot to normalcy. Having an external battery charger would certainly help and I am sure these can be had from ebay or alike for relatively cheap. Aaargghhh says NAND is not for the faint of hearts, so, if you want to be in the game, you might as well have things to save your day.

I think in my case, the reason I got the boot loop trap was because I tried to boot up the phone when the charge was really really low and like joshts0 here, the battery ran out before the boot up process was done and so the phone kept thinking the the boot process must go on.

I am not sure whether the same boot trap will exist while reboot after the phone is left out to drain completely.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

I had to take it to the nearest sprint store so they can charge my battery and after 10 mins i plugged my phone to my car and it was back to normal.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

This is going to be a fairly long post, so please bear with me. I have been slowly putting this together ever since we got NAND up and running, and I believe we have ironed out almost all of the NAND bugs as they pertain to FRX05. Through that, I have been logging some of the changes that we had to make so that I can put together a nice and easy to follow post for chefs that want to start building ROM's. That post will be coming in the following week, but I want to work with ACL and LMiller on drafting that up probably through our Google Docs.

Status of NAND Development
First and foremost, [ACL] is still our only real developer for the NAND kernel. Without his hard work, there is no way we would be where we are, so if you can, please show your appreciation by donating to him: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...=Y8RGAN4VEEV2Q

ACL feels we are getting very close to finished with FRX05 for now, and after that is done, he will start committing some of the new updates to the kernel. Lmiller and myself are pretty good with testing and scripting, but the kernel code is outside of our comfort zone. Since we cannot really help him, the updates are going to be a little slower until he either gets more help or has more time to spend on this project.

Status of FRX05 ROM
Because we got rid of the rootfs on NAND, quite a few changes had to be made to get FRX05 working properly on NAND. LMiller and ACL did the brunt of the work on this while I tried to make minor fixes here and there when we found issues.

Later this week, we will be pushing out the release candidate of FRX05 for NAND. Hopefully we can iron out the rest of the bugs that are caused from running FRX05 on NAND and let the chefs start going to town with their customizations. Again, I will have more details on this later.

Available Space
Right now, we aren't using the NAND as efficiently as we could be. Some of the NAND does not like to be formatted, and it took a lot of testing to find where we could start and finish. I know LMiller was working on this as well, but we could always use more help with this if anyone is interested.

In between hex editing the partition layout and messing with mtdparts, I've probably flashed around 500 times in the last few weeks, and I still haven't gotten it perfected yet. Unfortunately, I've got so many bad blocks of flash, I can't say what is my device causing issues versus what it would do on other phones. I should be getting a GSM rhod some time, but that person is waiting for the Droid Bionic before I can get it from them.

Other ROM's
Once FRX05 is finished, we will work on getting XDAndroid's Gingerbread up and running. ACL has also mentioned getting cyanogen mod 7 working as well. He has also worked on sense builds in the past, but I understand this is much more difficult to do. Might need to make it worth his while ;)

I will be updating the second post to keep track of each ROM along with known bugs for each one. We love getting feedback from you guys, but please include detailed information for us. If we don't get logs or steps to reproduce an issue, it will be ignored. Seriously, we aren't even going to bother responding to it. Our time is limited, and trying to figure out how to reproduce an issue is not an effective use of our time :)

Donations
As I stated earlier, ACL deserves all the credit for the time he has spent working on NAND. I put up his donation link earlier, and you can find it in his signature block. You can also help keep XDAndroid going by donating to them here: http://xdandroid.com/w/donate.php

There are a lot of others who have been involved in this project like Wozzer, myself, LMiller, and others from the XDAndroid crew. I can't link to all of them, and some of them don't take donations, but please remember that these people are giving their personal time to help you all have some fun with your phones ;)

Thanks everyone,

Nathan

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Thank you sir! Can't wait to see the first post updated, and get to actually start making some builds of this awesomeness. You guys have done a great job squashing bugs, keep it up!

Hope I can contribute even 1/10th as much as you guys have ;).

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Thanks for the informative post and, of course, your altruistic dedication to the project.


Hmm... arrrghhh... get busy working then! :-)
Well, you do help. We all appreciate it.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Bug: Swap Call or Merge Call doesn't work on Call Waiting. If you answer with Call button (screen is off you can't do anything but Call button) you can't switch back, not even with Call button.

EDIT: Here is the log for Pandora and XIIA Live....

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

So if I take the battery out, and wait for a while.. put the battery back in, plug the phone in, the amber light will come on, I will not touch the power bottom, but after a couple of minutes, the phone will at some point make that one little vibrate thing, and a few mins after that it will start to boot up, but it wnt make it through the boot cycle of course and die again.. then the whole process starts over . Does that make since? I could prolly video tape the whole thing if needed..

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

same xact problem and thats with puling the battery ten minutes before plugging it in and pulling it again before rebooting when i think its about to boot sometimes

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Thanks or the log. Can you get me one more? get me a dmesg when you are trying to use pandora. Just to make sure its not kernel related.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

not at all. means your phone boots up anytime it wants lol. So im going to drain my batt and see what i can do. I dont have an AC charger so i only charge via usb but hopefully i can replicate. So this happens when u use usb or ac charger?

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

i dont know bout him but by me yes it happens weather i use usb or ac charger

Yup, everyone is reiterating my exact problem. both cables don't help and boots on its own as soon its gained enough charge to do so. Then dies because NO battery drivers are loaded during the code on screen portion thus allowing the lil charge to be depleated.

Nandroid...

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

Here is my dmesg...

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

haha so i was able to replicate. So i drained the batt and saw what was going on. The phone does turn itself on but i had a weird issue that the lcd panel didnt go on. i heard the double vibs and it looked off but sure enough i could adb into the beotch. the phone remained on because my panel was off and therefore android didnt go on to enter a vicious boot loop yall described.

Anyone know if this is happening with haret as well ? i guess its hard to say since they have winmo to fall back to. i'll have to look into this, but i dont want to hold back the release for this.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

@ACL, I'm on haret and just DL Swapper2 (uses SD for cache opening up free mem) there is a noticable increase in speed. Is there a way to do that with NAND???? As reference, my wife's EVO has 350 mb free ram (using sprint lovers rom)----with WinMo, we're lucky to pull 115 on a fresh boot---on haret (Vin titanium 107 at boot) 95 at boot on haret, drops down to 60...the point is, I have 128mb on my SD specificaly for cache. therefore my free ram drops MUCH slower, and the overall speed is insane. the more I open, the more gets cached to SD....leaving our precious little free mem to do the physical work.

anyway, just wondering if that was something ya'll were thinking of throwing in the mix

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

We currently have 32 MB of NAND being used for cache, and there is already a cache directory under /sdcard/cache that is created for Haret. I'm not sure how to check the cache partition for utilization, but we can probably increase it if it were needed. Another option, though you would have to modify initrd would be to move the cache to the sdcard, but then you can't remove the sdcard without losing cache. Also, we should be moving dalvik cache to the cache partition per AOSP.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

So, removing /bin from sysinit.rc caused some weird data issues for me. It would start out on 3G but could never download anything. Then it would switch over to Edge and downloads would work but of course be really slow. Anyone else experience this? For now, I've just removed the link for /bin/su and put /bin back in the path. I'm thinking there are some things that reference it directly that are no longer getting called (like the ppp scripts or something).

Also, I just created the /sbin/ueventd link (to /system/init) and put init.android from rootfs as /system/init. It seems to be running like a dream!

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

oo.. need to update the frx then. I'm uploading the last recovery for testing. Did you play with the last one? there was a bug with the backup and restore.

Re: NAND Boot Testing - 03-11: FRX05 on NAND (data working again!)
 

swapper? i wonder if this is just for swap memory not like our cache. Our cache is needed for android and recovery so its prob not what you are talking about.

Like nate said, we are trying to stick to aosp as close as possible. If this is just a mem swapper, then its easy enough for anyone to implement. Also if this is an APK, whats stopping you from running it on nand ? shit will prob kill your sd tho. Sd doesnt like swappyness much