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turin39789 03-23-2010 12:47 PM

Pandora on 6.5?
 
I don't suppose 6.5 made this easier for us did it?

jcjr81 03-23-2010 12:49 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Not that I noticed. It's a shame really.

dishe 03-23-2010 01:01 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Huh?
Pandora works fine. The bitrate is low, but that's how the WM client always streams (lazy developers didn't want to recode to use AAC like the Android, Pre and iPhone versions). Other than the bitrate, cabbed versions to fit WVGA (complete with a fix to prevent the songs from being cut out in the middle) have been floating around the forum for months. The version of WM is irrelevant.

ppcgpirate 03-23-2010 01:25 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
I just use slacker radio, its not as glitchy as pandora and on the plus side you get to specify what genre of music you want to listen to and stick with it.

kaos 03-23-2010 01:35 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
pandora works fine what the issue? i've been using it since tp2 came out with 6.1 custom 6.5 and now stock 6.5

jcjr81 03-23-2010 01:45 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
I'm assuming that the op was wondering if the program worked any better or looked any better on 6.5.

turin39789 03-23-2010 01:51 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
I'd had trouble getting it to work on 6.1 before, got it going now with the latest instructions.

Still dissapointed in the audio quality and the fit and finish, lag between songs, tiny menus, thumbs up/down cut off at the bottom of the screen

Suppose I was hoping we might someday get an official Pandora client

dishe 03-23-2010 09:47 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turin39789 (Post 1653265)
I'd had trouble getting it to work on 6.1 before, got it going now with the latest instructions.

Still dissapointed in the audio quality and the fit and finish, lag between songs, tiny menus, thumbs up/down cut off at the bottom of the screen

Suppose I was hoping we might someday get an official Pandora client

They officially denounced Windows Mobile as a dead platform during an email correspondence with my press contacts. They are gung-ho about Windows Phone 7 (in fact, a Pandora app was shown at the press release), but ended support for the classic WinMo we know (and love) with the vogue version we have now.

Yes, the fonts and menus are tiny, but that is because they were designed for less than 1/4 of the screen resolution we have. Also, the app uses mp3 encoding to stream instead of the far-superior-at-lower-bitrate AAC. That's why the sound is lower fidelity. AAC uses more CPU power and mp3 was easier to develop for at the time. If they were to re-write the app now, it would look/sound better, but this is how it looked/sounded then. And so it shall remain, unless we switch to another OS. Sorry to be the downer. :(

p-slim 03-23-2010 10:00 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kaos (Post 1653207)
pandora works fine what the issue? i've been using it since tp2 came out with 6.1 custom 6.5 and now stock 6.5

Pandora doesn't work fine for winmo. the sound quality is horrible compared to any other device plus the buttons aren't made for winmo 6.1 or 6.5. That is why the buttons look like that. all we do on here is work arounds to make the buttons work but nobody has a work around for the horrible sound quality.

dishe 03-24-2010 02:57 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by p-slim (Post 1654682)
Pandora doesn't work fine for winmo. the sound quality is horrible compared to any other device plus the buttons aren't made for winmo 6.1 or 6.5. That is why the buttons look like that. all we do on here is work arounds to make the buttons work but nobody has a work around for the horrible sound quality.

Do you remember when Pandora first came out for the Vogue? The sound quality didn't change, however our expectations for streaming audio have. There is nothing "broken" about it, that's just what low-bitrate streaming mp3 sounds like. Find a shoutcast station with the same bitrate and codec, you'll notice the same effect.

Second of all, the buttons are fine in WinMo. The problem however, is that they were designed for QVGA.
I've got a Vogue (QVGA display) around here still, flashed to 6.5. Last I tried Pandora, the buttons looked fine if I recall correctly. And the sound was still the same as its always been.

There is no "workaround" for the sound, since that is how the app was designed to work. Remember, WinMo got it first. At the time, low bandwidth mp3 was acceptable. The other devices sound better because they came out later, and are using the newer and superior AAC codecs instead of mp3. We can scale and resize the graphics to work with our much larger screens (albeit being cut off a little), etc, but the sound delivery system was designed by Pandora to work like this and we don't access to a way to change that.

In a nutshell, its not "broken". I say it works fine because this is, in fact, how it was designed to work.
Yes, it severely needs an update for AAC and higher resolution. But they won't do it. They're busy pushing the WinPhone 7 version, and consider 6.x dead.

p-slim 03-24-2010 03:02 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dishe (Post 1656589)
Do you remember when Pandora first came out for the Vogue? The sound quality didn't change, however our expectations for streaming audio have. There is nothing "broken" about it, that's just what low-bitrate streaming mp3 sounds like. Find a shoutcast station with the same bitrate and codec, you'll notice the same effect.

Second of all, the buttons are fine in WinMo. The problem however, is that they were designed for QVGA.
I've got a Vogue (QVGA display) around here still, flashed to 6.5. Last I tried Pandora, the buttons looked fine if I recall correctly. And the sound was still the same as its always been.

There is no "workaround" for the sound, since that is how the app was designed to work. Remember, WinMo got it first. At the time, low bandwidth mp3 was acceptable. The other devices sound better because they came out later, and are using the newer and superior AAC codecs instead of mp3. We can scale and resize the graphics to work with our much larger screens (albeit being cut off a little), etc, but the sound delivery system was designed by Pandora to work like this and we don't access to a way to change that.

In a nutshell, its not "broken". I say it works fine because this is, in fact, how it was designed to work.
Yes, it severely needs an update for AAC and higher resolution. But they won't do it. They're busy pushing the WinPhone 7 version, and consider 6.x dead.

well compared to the vogue which is like 3 years old its not broken but on any other device, Palm , Iphone, or Droid that sound quality is HORRIBLE AND THE BUTTONS ARE HORRIBLE, thats what i mean by broken. I'm not going to compare it to some random low bit site when on my android i'm getting high quality. I think its fair to compare the same app across platforms. I don't know which platform the op is coming from but if he had any one of the ones i named and he's coming to winmo he will be disappointed.

dishe 03-24-2010 04:00 PM

Re: Pandora on 6.5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by p-slim (Post 1656602)
well compared to the vogue which is like 3 years old its not broken but on any other device, Palm , Iphone, or Droid that sound quality is HORRIBLE AND THE BUTTONS ARE HORRIBLE, thats what i mean by broken. I'm not going to compare it to some random low bit site when on my android i'm getting high quality. I think its fair to compare the same app across platforms. I don't know which platform the op is coming from but if he had any one of the ones i named and he's coming to winmo he will be disappointed.

I hear what you are saying, but lets look at it this way:
Windows Mobile got Pandora version 1. It had buttons designed for the standard resolution of the time (QVGA) and an mp3 stream. No other smartphones had Pandora yet, and it was considered pretty darned cool.

Then, Pandora created version 2. Version 2 has a new and improved AAC stream!
Version two was released for Android, WebOS, Blackberry, iPhone and the brand-new Windows Phone 7, and created the menus/buttons for their sized screens.

Now, why didn't windows mobile get version 2? Part of the reason, according to Pandora, is that WinMo has so much hardware variety and they aren't interested in creating a new version of the app for each one. Its too much work and they just aren't interested.
Which I guess makes sense- imagine you were Pandora engineers, working on a VGA version for the Touch Pro, when suddenly you find out the Touch Pro 2 or HD2 will be released in a couple of months with yet ANOTHER resolution. Or the Palm Pro with Square dimensions. Compare that with WebOS, iPhone, and BB where the resolutions don't change nearly as often, and you'll understand why they didn't bother with Version 2 for us (to quote a Palm engineer in an email correspondence, they "reach more customers for less effort" focusing on the other platforms).

We're still stuck on version 1. Version one isn't BROKEN, its just inferior... and its got nothing to do with the OS or the device. Its Pandora- they don't want to write version 2 for WinMo Classic.


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