A call to arms - Windows 7 phone succeeds

[Dr.8820]

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I keep telling folks to use it first then judge. my wife has the evo and loves it, but the facebook app on wp7 blows hers away. there are plenty of apps like that, that's why wp7 isn't doomed, just give it time. what I don't get is the fandroids coming in a wp7 thread and ain't even tried it lol.

[brownhornet]

Actually I have tried it... and one app isnt too convincing when the phone doesnt even have general smartphone functions. *shrug* I havent seen not even one article that was on the positive side when it comes to sales for WP7. I think you can pretty much agree no matter how much you love WP7 its always going to be at least the 4th fiddle behind IOS, Android and RIM.

[DavidinCT]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Actually I have tried it... and one app isnt too convincing when the phone doesnt even have general smartphone functions. *shrug* I havent seen not even one article that was on the positive side when it comes to sales for WP7. I think you can pretty much agree no matter how much you love WP7 its always going to be at least the 4th fiddle behind IOS, Android and RIM.

Sure, your also talking a phone that has been on the market for 4-5 months(?) vs. phones that have been out for years. WP7 is all new, so Windows Mobile or PocketPC don't count here in the numbers, where it's always been around number 4 or 5 anyway behind IOS, Android and Rim anyway.

This site would not exist if there was not a following behind Windows Mobile or PocketPC (PocketPC=PPC, aka PPCgeeks). Love it or hate it, it's not going anywhere.

Will Windows Phone 7 take over IOS overnight?? Hell no or Android, Nope.

So far, reviews are VERY positive on WP7, over all people who own it claim it's smoother and faster than Android(a locked factory OEM phone and not people who played with it in a store for 20 min) and it has better quality apps in it's market place when looking at IOS or Android (Who needs 99K of fart apps ?).

I do honestly feel after a few years (once it has full carrier support with a good selection for a while), as long as Microsoft does not screw it up and the market place keeps growing at the current rate, it will come close or even beat Android.

Time will tell but, for a phone that has not been out too long, it looks pretty good. If you don't like it and you gave it a fair shot, cool, it's not for everyone.

[timezone]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

I think you can pretty much agree no matter how much you love WP7 its always going to be at least the 4th fiddle behind IOS, Android and RIM.

Wow, It will surpass RIM in Apps by the end of the year if not sooner. Rim will be relatively easy to beat in phones. In fact all of the articles about this phone say that the first phone to lose market share to the Windows Phone 7 will be RIM. Doesn't mean Microsoft will surpass them but I believe it will be in short order. It may never beat the iPhone but Android I might make the bet. Android is very popular as was the old Microsoft phone. With a fractured handset across mobile companies, developers will begin developing for the phone rather than a platform. Microsoft learned that lesson the hard way. Can they beat the iphone? I think it is possible but they will have to get a few things done right. Marketing at this point is just as important as the product. Microsoft needs working phones in the stores. They need Microsoft employees to show off the phone. We need to show off the phone. When I show people the phone the response is usually...Wow, didn't realize how amazing this phone actually is. Of course that is probably a long time out.


I'll say it again, we have to keep on emailing companies that do not have apps on the Windows phone 7. I do it all the time. They are not demanding messages. I gently explain why I believe they should consider developing apps for this phone.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by timezone

Wow, It will surpass RIM in Apps by the end of the year if not sooner. Rim will be relatively easy to beat in phones. In fact all of the articles about this phone say that the first phone to lose market share to the Windows Phone 7 will be RIM. Doesn't mean Microsoft will surpass them but I believe it will be in short order. It may never beat the iPhone but Android I might make the bet. Android is very popular as was the old Microsoft phone. With a fractured handset across mobile companies, developers will begin developing for the phone rather than a platform. Microsoft learned that lesson the hard way. Can they beat the iphone? I think it is possible but they will have to get a few things done right. Marketing at this point is just as important as the product. Microsoft needs working phones in the stores. They need Microsoft employees to show off the phone. We need to show off the phone. When I show people the phone the response is usually...Wow, didn't realize how amazing this phone actually is. Of course that is probably a long time out.


I'll say it again, we have to keep on emailing companies that do not have apps on the Windows phone 7. I do it all the time. They are not demanding messages. I gently explain why I believe they should consider developing apps for this phone.

Its going to be tough for WP7 to beat Android...thing about Android is that its cheaper for manufacturers to make Android phones then WP7 phones as Android is open source..this makes it cheaper for manufacturers to choose Android over WP7 with the same hardware..so unless WP7 completely dominates sales manufacturers will push Android to consumers more then WP7..

Same for carriers..they have more control in Android to load up their stuff...such as making VZnavigator default and etc..while this is annoying for us this gives carriers more incentive to push Android...

Also..there really is no fracturing..most apps work on all phones..the reason why apps start to have issues is when developers go outside the API and start using native code (which wp7 does not allow in the first place)..by using native code it gives performance improvements and etc..Google plans to improve on this of course..

[Noir]

Is android even in the equation as far as windows phone 7 competition? Granted it is admirable to topple android because (since the droid does advertising) it is the most popular OS at the time. I just feel as though taking over android is a temporary stop gap in the large scheme of things seeing that apple is somehow still top dog and admittedly that is the company that Microsoft is trying to beat. Android is just a stopgap in the greater prize...

Android is popular but I still don't think currently it offers the best mobile experience

[gTen]

Originally Posted by Noir

Is android even in the equation as far as windows phone 7 competition? Granted it is admirable to topple android because (since the droid does advertising) it is the most popular OS at the time. I just feel as though taking over android is a temporary stop gap in the large scheme of things seeing that apple is somehow still top dog and admittedly that is the company that Microsoft is trying to beat. Android is just a stopgap in the greater prize...

Android is popular but I still don't think currently it offers the best mobile experience

My belief that in general M$is aiming at Apple and not Android..it may change in the future as all these plans were made 2 years ago by M$, but the target audience that M$ is aiming for is more in tune with fighting Apple rather then Google..

[Noir]

Originally Posted by gTen

My belief that in general M$is aiming at Apple and not Android..it may change in the future as all these plans were made 2 years ago by M$, but the target audience that M$ is aiming for is more in tune with fighting Apple rather then Google..

makes sense, because apple is the head honcho. But the question is - if microsoft is heading toward apple why not target wp7 to adolescents/young adults?

[gTen]

Originally Posted by Noir

makes sense, because apple is the head honcho. But the question is - if microsoft is heading toward apple why not target wp7 to adolescents/young adults?

Well in terms of world scale Android > iOS but might be due to it being available on 1 carrier around the world...but 2 years ago when M$ started working on WP7..iOS was the crave...

As fr targeting..its simple...M$ right now has an "incomplete" OS..or at least compared to the competition..they didn't have time to make it for everyone yet...so they targeted the audience that has money..simple...they will definitely go after young adults..but its going to be a hard fight with Apple for that audience due to popularity of the ipods...its just a fight for another day...

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by timezone

Wow, It will surpass RIM in Apps by the end of the year if not sooner. Rim will be relatively easy to beat in phones. In fact all of the articles about this phone say that the first phone to lose market share to the Windows Phone 7 will be RIM. Doesn't mean Microsoft will surpass them but I believe it will be in short order. It may never beat the iPhone but Android I might make the bet. Android is very popular as was the old Microsoft phone. With a fractured handset across mobile companies, developers will begin developing for the phone rather than a platform. Microsoft learned that lesson the hard way. Can they beat the iphone? I think it is possible but they will have to get a few things done right. Marketing at this point is just as important as the product. Microsoft needs working phones in the stores. They need Microsoft employees to show off the phone. We need to show off the phone. When I show people the phone the response is usually...Wow, didn't realize how amazing this phone actually is. Of course that is probably a long time out.


I'll say it again, we have to keep on emailing companies that do not have apps on the Windows phone 7. I do it all the time. They are not demanding messages. I gently explain why I believe they should consider developing apps for this phone.

I dont care if it has a million apps... its still never going to surpass RIM, Android or IOS in terms of phone sales. IOS still has more apps than Android but its not making a difference right now in terms of phone sales.